Episode Transcript
[00:00:01] Speaker A: You're listening to the Known Legacy Podcast brought to you by Known Legacy Ministries. For more information go to knownlegacy.org now here's your hosts, Bill and Travis.
[00:00:13] Speaker B: Hey Bill.
[00:00:14] Speaker C: I wish I could play that intro but I can't.
[00:00:16] Speaker B: How you doing?
[00:00:17] Speaker C: How you doing, man?
[00:00:18] Speaker B: I'm good.
[00:00:19] Speaker C: It's good. Welcome to no Legacy Podcast. We're going to help you. Want to have you wake up here at Picoma Live too.
[00:00:24] Speaker B: Marathon. This is Marathon recording.
[00:00:26] Speaker C: We are super glad to have.
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And I know Bill does a good job on that. Kyle in the corner, how you doing?
[00:00:53] Speaker D: Hello.
[00:00:53] Speaker B: It's great to have you here. I'm currently taking a sabbatical this summer of June and July. I'm out of pocket and out of mind. Hopefully just finding some time to abide and rediscover that relationship with Jesus. Not rediscover it.
Sorry.
[00:01:07] Speaker C: That's the man caller praying for too.
[00:01:10] Speaker B: Hope you find out who Jesus is. No, just two of them.
[00:01:14] Speaker C: My friend Jesus, how can I pray for you today? Exactly.
[00:01:19] Speaker B: But anyways, just spending some time with the Lord and with my family and I'm looking forward to it.
[00:01:23] Speaker D: Awesome.
[00:01:24] Speaker B: And I'm excited about today's conversation as we dive into discipleship again. It's a big word. It's used all over the place in the church and we just want to break it down and make it simple. And as always, infononelegacy.org for questions, comments, concerns, or how we can pray for you. And also make sure you go to the website and make a donation if that's something you're so inclined to. Or you can find out information about Bill and his speaking engagements that he has coming up in the next few weeks and months and information about his book and some other great things that Gnome Legacy offers up to you. So without further ado, tell us a little bit about the known legacy thermos.
[00:02:00] Speaker C: That was the adrenaline thermos. The adrenaline shot every Thursday morning, 6am we'd love to have you join us.
[00:02:07] Speaker B: Man.
[00:02:07] Speaker C: It is a phone in Bible study. Guys all over the country are a part of it. We'd love you to be a part of it as well. We know how important it is for guys to have community. It is a great place to get started, continue your week, have a little shot of truth and some connection with guys to know that you're not alone. So that link is provided below. We'd love to have you be a part of that and and build that little community that we have going on. The other thing we have is our known legacy brotherhood on Facebook that we'd love to.
Brotherhood.
[00:02:33] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:02:34] Speaker C: Yes, it is. There it is.
Yes.
[00:02:36] Speaker B: All right. That's gonna retire today.
[00:02:38] Speaker C: Yeah. Can we retire that one?
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But you can check that out on Facebook, man. We will put the link provided below as well. If you're still on Facebook, we'd love to have you be a part of that. Keep you update what's going on in known legacy and just have some encouragement each week as well as you know, if you feel like you're in your journey and you want to. Man, where am I in my walk with the Lord or how do I kick start this journey with God to even go forward with this, we have a wake up guide and seven day reset just for you that we have designed. And the link is provided below. It's a free download for you to check out, man. We'd love to have you check it out and then share it with a friend.
[00:03:14] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:03:14] Speaker C: And get your journey kicked off. It's got a seven day devotional for it for free as well. So grateful to have you guys here. Thanks a lot. Travis.
[00:03:22] Speaker B: Question of the day.
[00:03:23] Speaker C: Question of the day.
[00:03:26] Speaker B: Question of the day. This hearkens back to something we talked about in a previous podcast, but one of the epic all time Gen X movies is Breakfast Club, hands down.
[00:03:34] Speaker C: Yes.
[00:03:35] Speaker B: And without going into too many details, you basically have these very specific caricatures of individuals in high school and they're put together on a detention Saturday and they have mayhem and tomfoolery afoot. Is that fair to say? What's mayhem and tomfoolery?
[00:03:53] Speaker C: Yes, I would say that's probably a good.
[00:03:55] Speaker B: And so the question is simply this. If you're one of those characters, like back in the day, not if you could choose, like, who were you in that movie? Like, who did you identify with? Like, oh, that was my high school. That was my high school experience. So out of those characters, who would you identify with?
[00:04:08] Speaker A: Bill?
[00:04:09] Speaker C: I would probably say the basket case.
[00:04:13] Speaker B: Allison. Allison. Allison. Yeah.
[00:04:15] Speaker C: Ali Sheedy. Yes.
[00:04:16] Speaker B: She had dandruff. You have dandruff. I think it works. I do.
[00:04:21] Speaker C: I can make it snow wash that.
[00:04:23] Speaker B: Great. No.
[00:04:23] Speaker D: What?
[00:04:24] Speaker B: Anyways.
[00:04:24] Speaker C: Yes. Yes.
[00:04:25] Speaker B: Different one.
[00:04:26] Speaker C: Anyways. Yeah, no, that was. I. I did love that movie, but I felt like, yeah, probably out of all of those, from the jock to the reject, I mean, I kind of wanted to be John Bender.
[00:04:33] Speaker B: Oh. Everyone did.
[00:04:34] Speaker C: But I mean, I just. I. That's like a given.
[00:04:36] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:04:36] Speaker C: Like the rebel, you know, kind of thing. But. But I think at the time, I'd probably be more the basket case. I definitely wasn't the brain.
[00:04:42] Speaker B: Well, I. I think in a lot of ways it works for you because, you know, from a distance, you kind of look off putting. Wow.
[00:04:49] Speaker C: Thank you.
[00:04:50] Speaker B: But by the time we get to know you, you look drop dead gorgeous. Thank you.
[00:04:54] Speaker A: Thank you.
[00:04:55] Speaker C: Wow.
[00:04:55] Speaker D: Thank you.
[00:04:55] Speaker B: You are very much an Allison. Good job.
[00:04:57] Speaker C: Well, what about you? What about you?
[00:05:01] Speaker B: Because our low testosterone on this podcast, I'd go, Claire. And the reason why I say Claire is this. I didn't have money. I wasn't eating sushi, none of that. But Claire was. Claire had the friends. She was well known, and she was. She was popular within the community. And in high school, I remember, just like, I was a social butterfly, so I could hang with any group. I could go from, you know, the jog table to the skater table to the. Just kind of all of them at the same time. And so the only one that I can think that would kind of be
[00:05:34] Speaker C: that would be Claire.
[00:05:36] Speaker B: I don't know if it is, but that. That's. That would be me, so. And secretly I always wanted to be a redhead, so, you know, well, I got that going for me. I know. That's. Why do you think I show up every day for the podcast?
Kyle in the corner. What about you?
[00:05:50] Speaker D: I think I'm a combination between Brian and Andrew.
[00:05:53] Speaker C: Oh.
[00:05:53] Speaker B: We could do combos. Oh, okay. Okay. I mean, I do Brian and Claire. I do Brian and Claire.
[00:05:58] Speaker D: I was always John and, you know, I was always straight A's and that. Not. Not trying to be egotistical, but. Oh, yeah, it just happened. It was not hard.
[00:06:11] Speaker B: That doesn't help the egotistical. No, I meant it was very easy for me. I know other people struggled, but I'm not trying to be braggadocious or anything, but I didn't even have to try for my 4.0 GPA valedictorian salute.
[00:06:24] Speaker D: But I also played all the sports, so.
But I wasn't like superstar jock or anything. I just played them.
[00:06:30] Speaker C: Gotcha. Played the sports.
[00:06:31] Speaker B: Oh, okay, follow up question Follow up question. Okay, so John Hughes, phenomenal Love many, many of his movies. If you could go back and become a character in any of his movies, what character would you be?
What character? Kyle, we'll go back to you.
[00:06:47] Speaker D: So the key is any of his movies.
[00:06:49] Speaker B: Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah.
[00:06:51] Speaker D: Neil Page.
[00:06:53] Speaker B: Who's. What?
[00:06:55] Speaker C: Who?
[00:06:55] Speaker B: What?
[00:06:55] Speaker D: That's what I was hoping he would say.
[00:06:57] Speaker B: I.
[00:06:57] Speaker C: Who's Neil Page?
[00:06:58] Speaker D: Planes, Trains and Automobiles.
[00:07:01] Speaker C: Oh, no, it totally.
[00:07:05] Speaker D: He's Steve Martin.
[00:07:06] Speaker C: Yeah, I know. It's like, went over.
[00:07:07] Speaker D: But his journey in that movie.
[00:07:09] Speaker B: Where's your hand?
Between two pillows.
[00:07:12] Speaker D: How about those pillows?
[00:07:16] Speaker B: He says you're going the wrong way. How does he know where I'm going?
[00:07:19] Speaker D: His journey was just amazing to me, so I would pick him.
[00:07:22] Speaker B: That is a deep dive again. I see why you didn't have to try for your straight A's in school. You are by far the smartest man in the room.
[00:07:29] Speaker C: And then I'm going to steal this one. Ferris Bueller. Oh, I will. Thank you. Thank you, Kyle, for forgive. For dropping that. Yeah, Ferris Bueller would be mine because I do see myself going to Chicago and leading a parade.
So I do see that it fits.
[00:07:46] Speaker B: It fits. Lucille Ball Parade. Yes.
[00:07:52] Speaker C: What about you?
[00:07:53] Speaker B: What about you, man?
I have always had a soft spot in my heart for this character. And it's from one of the better movies, I think, Pretty in Pink. And. And it's Ducky. If I could go back, it's Ducky, because here's the deal. Ducky just exuded like, he was. He was a perfect high school kid where he was so uncomfortable with who he was on the outside, but on the exterior, he projected this like, I got the cools. I'm wearing these shoes that no one else is wearing, you know, and he has this, like, love that's just out of reach for him. And yeah, I just.
[00:08:24] Speaker C: I wanted Ducky to get the girl.
[00:08:26] Speaker B: Yeah, everyone wanted Ducky to get the girl.
[00:08:28] Speaker C: I have one more, though. I would want to be Abe Froman, the sausage king of Chicago. That's actually who I want to be.
Just in case.
[00:08:34] Speaker B: Well, good news. If you're Ferris Bueller, you can be both.
[00:08:38] Speaker C: Are you saying I'm not who you say?
I hope you're still with us, guys. We are so excited to have you here today. Welcome to our chaos. And if you're an 80s kid, man, put down at the bottom who you would be. If, you know, if you're not, then we will. We'll set you up for some counsel
[00:08:52] Speaker B: or even your favorite John Hughes movie. Just let us know. Give us something to watch this summer.
[00:08:56] Speaker C: Oh, that'd be great.
Yeah. Put that down in the comments. We'd love to have you tell us who your favorite person is. Absolutely.
[00:09:03] Speaker B: So today we're going to be talking about discipleship. It's a big a nutshell. Discipleship is simply.
It is simply defined. Discipleship is being mentored by Jesus to become more like Jesus.
[00:09:16] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:09:16] Speaker B: It's not just an information dump. It's not knowing more about Jesus as if he's just a biography that I need to know Dad's data and stats. Yeah, it is. I want to live with him in such a way that his modeling of how life can be engaged by becomes the way that I engage life. Is that fair to say?
[00:09:35] Speaker C: Absolutely. I mean, I think the biggest thing is that for a long time, even in ministry, I'd hear the word discipleship and it became very programmatic.
[00:09:43] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:09:44] Speaker C: I hand you this book, I hand you this process.
And, and I'd always struggled with that because discipleship looked different.
[00:09:52] Speaker B: It's not information.
[00:09:53] Speaker C: Yeah. It's more it. I mean, there is a piece of gaining using that information.
[00:09:57] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, of course.
[00:09:58] Speaker C: But, but it is not the end all. And so it's not just you find your three and then in six months they find their three, and guess what? In a year, everybody's discipled. You know, you're like, I don't know where.
[00:10:08] Speaker B: Why does everything have to be scalable? I don't know. Like, Jesus just spent time with 12 guys.
[00:10:12] Speaker C: Yeah. And one of them ran. Well, they all ran away. And one of them, one of them betrayed him.
[00:10:15] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:10:15] Speaker C: And so I'm like, and I'm not saying that's like, that's this model where I hope someone, I need to find a betrayer. And I'm saying, but, but, but, man, doing life with the purpose of not having, you know, an exceeded goal except for pouring into life. Like disciple means follower, like we've talked about.
[00:10:31] Speaker B: I want to live more like Jesus.
[00:10:32] Speaker C: Yes. And so this idea of discipleship has been relatively devoid of relationship.
[00:10:38] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:10:39] Speaker C: As a key element. Like maybe it's there kind of in the downward of. On a scale of 1 to 10, it's it's 7, 8 or 9.
[00:10:47] Speaker B: Right.
[00:10:47] Speaker C: But it should be like 1, 2 or 3.
[00:10:49] Speaker B: Correct.
[00:10:50] Speaker C: Like, are we building?
[00:10:51] Speaker B: Should be 1, 2 and 3, probably. Absolutely.
[00:10:53] Speaker C: Exactly. So I think the first thing is, man, if you're walking towards discipleship and you're, you know this, I would say start small, start small.
Don't overthink it, like, showing up each day like, it's not like, okay, in one year, I've got to read to the Bible because, you know, it's funny, you don't read through the Bible. And then I do remember the day that Jesus flew down and gave me a gold star when I finished off my Bible reading.
[00:11:14] Speaker B: You got the gold star too?
[00:11:15] Speaker C: I did. It was like, you know, but I'm like,
[00:11:20] Speaker B: it's Ariel. But.
[00:11:22] Speaker C: But there's this something about. Even in me. I was like, I need to do this because then I'll be faithful.
[00:11:28] Speaker B: Right.
[00:11:28] Speaker C: And so if we can remove that and go, small wins, small scalable wins. Because here's the thing. I remember when I met Sarah, my wife, there wasn't a thing that I wouldn't do to, to. To spend time with her, to. To get to be with her. I'd spend money and time and energy and everything. But after. And when I. That was before I fell in love with her, the minute I fell in love. But it's like, I got to know her. I slowly got to know who she was. I got to know likes and dislikes her personality. I got to see her in. In. In like a paradigm of other people around and doing life and serving and things like that. And you're like, oh, I love this person.
And so even now, if you're like, man, I want to be a disciple of Jesus. Just start small. And when I mean that, just start to spend time in the word. Open the Bible and read something.
Read the book of John. But just read some. Read until you get something. It took me three verses. Great. Okay, that's enough. And just. But don't put the pressure of, I need to just consume, consume, consume. It's. Take the time to get to know who Jesus is in the very beginning.
[00:12:33] Speaker B: And it can start with just prayer.
[00:12:34] Speaker C: Yes.
[00:12:35] Speaker B: You know, like, I find it fascinating. This is something we talk about all the time. Like, Jesus came and when he came to build his church, he did not choose the intellectuals, he did not choose the academics. He didn't choose the professors. He didn't choose the Sadducees and Pharisees. He chose fishermen. Why did choose fishermen? Because fishermen is inherently a mentor process. Yeah, right. That you learn to be a fisherman by hanging out with other guys that are fishing. And you learn the tricks of the trade by hanging out with guys that loan with the trick of the trade. And so Jesus, in that little simple thing of choosing fishermen to be his first disciples, he's almost indicating to us, hey, this is what the relationship is they understand if I'm going to be a good fisherman, I need to hang out with my dad, who's a good fisherman, and he's going to teach me as I go on what it looks like to be a good fisherman. Yeah. Now they're disciples and they're like, instead of dad, I'm hanging out with Jesus. And as I hang out with Jesus, I am going to pick up on the secrets. I'm going to pick up on the behaviors. I'm going to pick up on the postures and the attitudes that allow me to live more and more like Jesus. And so it is not a retreat, it is not a convention. It is not five books that you need to read.
[00:13:40] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:13:40] Speaker B: It is this process of God is willing and ready to have conversation with you right now. Just begin with a prayer.
Just begin with a prayer and then become faithful with that prayer and then spend time in his Word and just, you know, it doesn't need to be copious amounts of word. It doesn't need to be the original Hebrew, Greek. Just find a good Bible and just spend some time. Maybe in the Proverbs is where you want to start. Yeah. Maybe it's reading through the Book of John. It doesn't. And maybe it takes you two years to get through the book of John. Just be with him.
[00:14:08] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:14:08] Speaker B: In simple ways. And let him transform you and mentor you and disciple you.
[00:14:13] Speaker C: You know, Acts 4, 13, it says that man, when. When they had seen Peter and, you know, and the disciples, they said that man, that they had. They. They were common, everyday, ordinary men. The only difference with that, they had been with Jesus.
[00:14:26] Speaker B: Been with Jesus. They've been. They've been with Jesus.
[00:14:29] Speaker C: Yeah. That's it. Just, just. And that's. They get like, small wins. So what? I mean, that's not even formula something. Okay. Small win is, you know, it's like, no, no time out. Just. Just be with Jesus. Just spend time with him as you. So even, even at very beginning, Jesus is born.
God could have gone to a king. He could have gone to business owners.
He went to some shepherds and just said, hey, I want to tell you about the greatest thing that ever happened.
You're my tool.
I'm going to just go and tell people.
[00:14:58] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:14:59] Speaker C: I'm going to find you guys. Why? Because I want it to be so.
[00:15:03] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:15:04] Speaker C: So obvious that you can just go and share this with others. That's all I need you to do. Just tell people. I guarantee they didn't keep it to themselves. I guarantee they didn't walk in and go, great, mighty of people in the land. It's like, hey, I just saw this. This is crazy.
Exactly. You're never going to believe this. I had angels come and talk to me about this guy, Jesus. I got to go find him.
[00:15:23] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:15:24] Speaker C: And it's, it's this simplicity where we believe. I've got to learn more. I've got to, I've got to gain more knowledge and shove it in. What if the problem is I meet so many people who are discipled. That, that man, they still struggle with everything. That's the easy stuff. The, the loving their spouse or serving one another right, or speaking life and handling their tongue. I mean it's not an easy thing, but like, like just those, the things that we overlook for this knowledge that. Again, I'm not scoffing at knowledge, but I'm saying we've made that the benchmark. Instead of being with Jesus, you know, we talk a lot about John 15 and abiding in the vine.
And this abiding is this organic connection.
[00:16:04] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:16:05] Speaker C: We look at a vineyard. This, this vineyard is literally we're just staying connected.
[00:16:10] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:16:10] Speaker C: And I, and I would, maybe I'm wrong, but I would believe that, that every single day these, you know, the limbs on these trees aren't getting all the nutrients that they want or man. There's days where it's drier and there's not enough water. But what they've done is they've stayed connected. That's how they've stayed strong. So there's days that it's going to feel dry. There's days it's going to feel mundane. But we just need to stay connected. Jesus, help me to be connected to you today. That's the prayer.
Keep it simple. Number two, man. Keep it consistent and relationship based.
[00:16:41] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:16:43] Speaker C: Discipleship isn't a one person journey. It is a. We walk with others. Follow me as I follow Christ. That's what Paul talks about over and over again. Follow me as I follow Christ.
Let, let me be the example. We shared not just the gospel with you, but our very lives. Are we spending time with other believers?
[00:17:03] Speaker B: Right.
[00:17:03] Speaker C: And this, and it's, and here's the thing that doesn't mean a classroom. I remember seeing this picture. Now we've probably talked about it here before, but like, it's like all these, you know, all the apostles are sitting in those like wooden chairs with, like that Jesus is pointing at a book. You know, said this is not discipleship. Like discipleship is along the way.
[00:17:19] Speaker B: Right.
[00:17:19] Speaker C: Is in our journey. Along the way, are we just bringing Jesus into everything about our life?
[00:17:25] Speaker B: Well, and I think sometimes I love that consistency part, because sometimes we become obsessed with the destination and we forget that it's the journey that truly makes the destination worthwhile, because the destination is a long ways off. But if I can just focus on the next step.
What is the old psalm? Thy word is a lamp unto my feet. And it's literally enough light for the next step. And we have to learn to be content with that and realize that this is a lifelong journey with God. And so consistency pays off. A 1 degree shift over a long period of times can change an absolute destination.
[00:17:58] Speaker C: Yes. So absolutely. You know, it's. You know, when I was first, it's funny, I went to Bible college, and I'm not scoffing at any of this, but I kept getting frustrated with what I was learning about discipleship because I would find myself going, I'm hearing a lot of information, which is really good. But that's not how I was discipled.
I was discipled because some guy was. Joe was the guy who really discipled me. And another guy, Rich, who really discipled me, were like, grab those chairs. Help me set this up. I need you to go pick that up. I need you to come with me and do this. I need you to help me fix my car.
And all along the time, as we were doing life together, Jesus was a part of that. Whether it was hitting my. Hitting my, you know, my hand with a thumb or doing something wrong, you know, like. And you. And you respond in a certain way, and you're like, okay, I want to speak more. Life like this. Do you know what I'm talking about?
[00:18:47] Speaker B: I know. Hitting my hand with my thumb. Just hitting my hand with my thumb. Just hitting my hand with my thumb.
[00:18:53] Speaker C: That's all I did.
[00:18:54] Speaker B: I just hit my hand with my thumb.
[00:18:56] Speaker C: Whether it was hitting my hand with
[00:18:58] Speaker B: a hammer or hitting my thumb with a hammer.
[00:19:03] Speaker C: It's been a long day, guys. It's been a long day.
[00:19:05] Speaker B: But that's the other thing. Like, here's the deal.
Bill and I have this ability to do this with each other because.
With each other, and we've been consistent with each other. If I hadn't seen him for three years, I'd never pull that joke out because I'm like, I don't want to offend him. I don't want her.
[00:19:16] Speaker C: I think you should, though, in three years.
[00:19:18] Speaker B: But Kemp bumping, because we have this relationship.
[00:19:21] Speaker C: Great example.
[00:19:21] Speaker B: You can bring up the idea that I said, Paul McCartney.
[00:19:25] Speaker C: Paul McCartney. John McCartney.
[00:19:27] Speaker B: John McCartney. That's what it is. John McCartney. By the way, little side note, I was in church the other day and one of the guys has downloaded a bunch of the episodes.
[00:19:35] Speaker C: Yes.
[00:19:35] Speaker B: And he came, like, right before service starts, he goes, John McCartney. Right. I was like, that's why I don't want you listening to the podcast because you're going to use it against me right before I go live.
[00:19:44] Speaker C: Oh, my gosh. So that is a great example because it's along the way, whatever we're doing, are we bringing Jesus into it? We make it so difficult. Okay, so I'll see you Tuesday night. And we're going to study another verse and we're going to talk about it. Nope, just do life. Have them over for dinner. Make this. Because here's. You know, I was even telling my son one time, I was like, man, if you can't stand somebody, I would challenge you. And I'm not saying don't share the gospel, but I would not add to them. Here's one thing that I think we. That we did wrong in the 90s was we made. We let all these people to Jesus, come to my church. Come to my church. And they would come to our church and. And we wouldn't care about him. Again, like, the conquest was over. We got him out. But this discipleship thing is a journey of going, man, how do I continue to love you through this? All of your brokenness? I care about you. And so it's a slow journey of going. I want to truly invite you into this walk. It's not just get you saved and then you're good. I think that's one of the things we've done wrong. But man, to say, I want journey, not appointment. Yes. I want to pull you in to the life that I'm living and let you be a part of who I am. If that's not where you are, A pray about your journey as a follower of Jesus. You know, again, I want to go back to Lauren again. This guy who just every time he met somebody, he just wanted to. I'm so glad that we had him on. But just this idea that everybody he met, he just wanted to be a part of the family of God.
[00:21:00] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:21:00] Speaker C: And so in our journey, when we see somebody that we want to journey with, it's not. Are we just going to share facts with them and then say, here's your game plan to find three other people to share facts with, or am I willing to share my life with you? And that's the Part whether you hit your hum, whether you hit your thumb with your hand or not, whether you hit your. Your thumb with a hammer or not, and how you respond or whatever goes wrong or those crisis moments. We've weighed on, belabored that. But. But no, even, like, times when I would have crisis moments. And I was like, man, I. I don't know what. I don't know what to do with this. I built trust with him. And he said, well, what does God's word say about that? I'm like, right.
It says this. And he's like, exactly. Okay, fine. You know, like, you're frustrated, but you're like, that's discipleship at the core. And so I think that's one thing. Keep it simple, keep it relational, that kind of thing. And then number three, invite friends and be honest.
[00:21:52] Speaker B: It's not good for man to be alone.
[00:21:54] Speaker C: Exactly.
[00:21:55] Speaker B: He didn't choose just one disciple. He chose a bunch because they needed each other. They need to encourage each other, correct each other, laugh with each other when they hit, cry with each other.
I guarantee those disciples had some amazing inside jokes. I promise you, they didn't follow Jesus because he wasn't able to make him laugh. I promise you, he was making them laugh from time to time. You know, Absolutely.
[00:22:17] Speaker C: There's joy there. And I think in that, this, this honesty of discipleship is really. When you get real with someone, you could say, here's my whole heart, here's my burdens, here's my joys, here's my. My real, real desires in my life. And I've never. In fact, I'm finding that people sharing their dreams is harder than people sharing their sin issues.
[00:22:35] Speaker B: No. Interesting.
[00:22:37] Speaker C: Because people are going, I don't want to share this because it sounds goofy, because I always wanted to be, you know, whatever. Like, I always wanted to do this thing, but I always feel weird because I've never wanted to share that with somebody. Like, again, telling people, hey, that we want you to come alive and dream, but then you're being very vulnerable to say, hell, I'd like to. I've always wanted to start a business to do this. Oh, well, why wouldn't you? I don't know. I just felt really stupid. Like. Like, who am I? And there's something interesting about. That's the authenticity that we need from each other.
[00:23:06] Speaker B: So if you find yourself alone in this journey, my encouragement to you would be find a brotherhood. And here's the deal. We will never find brotherhood if we always wait for someone else to kick it off and start It. Yeah. It really takes you, the guy to make a phone call and say, hey, you want to grab a beer today? Hey, do you want to go to topgolf today? Hey, do you want to do whatever it is? Hey, I'm building the fence. Do you want to come over help? I know you can build a fence by yourself. I get it. You can paint your house by yourself. I totally understand that.
[00:23:30] Speaker C: Absolutely.
[00:23:31] Speaker B: But to invite a guy to come along and see if God is. Is ordaining that relationship to be a brotherhood.
[00:23:36] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:23:36] Speaker B: That you begin to disciple each other, moving forward and becoming more like Christ.
[00:23:41] Speaker C: Yeah. We're salt and light in this world and we're the hands and feet of Jesus. And if we don't say anything, it's really hard to be hands and feet. Really hard to be salt and light if we don't connect with anybody. And we just make discipleship too, too, too difficult. Make it keep it simple, guys. Keep it relational, and keep it like small steps that you can see those victories.
[00:23:59] Speaker B: Well said. Well said.
[00:24:01] Speaker C: Other than the hammer and the.
[00:24:02] Speaker B: And, well, you know, we all have issues.
[00:24:04] Speaker C: Okay. Thanks a lot, guys. Thanks for listening. Hey, check us out. Check out the the Wake Up Guide and Seven Day Reset below, as well as the Brotherhood and the Bible Study. And we are so grateful to have you on. We just want to make this reachable and real for you. Discipleship is a very reachable thing for you and I pray that you would. Would move forward because Jesus wants to do great things in and through your life.
[00:24:23] Speaker B: So. Yep. Keep your stick on the ice and don't let your thumb hit your hand. God bless you guys.
[00:24:28] Speaker C: Have a great week.
[00:24:30] Speaker A: Thanks for listening to the Known Legacy podcast. We'd love to hear from you. So email us your questions or comments to infononelegacy.org.
