“So What Do We Do Now?”

[00:00:00] Speaker A: You're listening to the Known Legacy podcast brought to you by Known Legacy Ministries. For more information, go to knownlegacy.org now here's your hosts, Bill and Travis. [00:00:14] Speaker B: My cup looks like I'm a 4 year old. Like I can't even, like, can't even pour coffee anymore. [00:00:20] Speaker C: It's a dribble cup. [00:00:21] Speaker B: It's a dribble cup. Anyone? Those sippy tops? Yeah. [00:00:25] Speaker C: Yes. [00:00:26] Speaker B: Good morning, Bill. [00:00:26] Speaker C: How you doing? [00:00:27] Speaker B: Good morning. How are you doing? [00:00:28] Speaker C: Good. Kyle, how you doing over in the corner? [00:00:30] Speaker D: Great, thank you. [00:00:30] Speaker C: Fantastic. [00:00:31] Speaker B: Over in the corner corner. No one puts Kyle in the corner. [00:00:33] Speaker C: Except Known Legacy. [00:00:34] Speaker B: Except Known. [00:00:36] Speaker C: Speaking of Known Legacy, thank you guys for checking us out. 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Hey, mark your calendars. Next April. April 10th through the 12th, we are having our next men's retreat. We'd love to have you there. So just put that on your calendar now. We'll have stuff out in the next month or so to be able to register and things like that. [00:01:41] Speaker C: I'll tell you from the experience this past fall, some of the best worship I've ever had. It was just amazing to have a great group of guys fill in that room, fill in that space singing from their guts. It was. It was wonderful. [00:01:53] Speaker B: It was something about guys singing. [00:01:55] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:01:55] Speaker B: It's just like. And you know, and it wasn't just all, like, romantic like, I love you, I love you. [00:02:00] Speaker C: Like, you should have put a ring on it. Exactly. That's it. [00:02:04] Speaker B: Yeah. Well, moving on. Great to have you here. So. [00:02:07] Speaker C: All right, so here's the question today. I'm sorry? Here's the question today. [00:02:12] Speaker B: Question of the day. [00:02:14] Speaker C: Bill Kyle. [00:02:16] Speaker B: Yes. [00:02:17] Speaker C: Mistaken identity. And I'm talking about either you are being mistakenly identified as someone or the. That awkward moment that you're, like, across the grocery store and you see someone who has the same build, maybe a similar haircut, and you're convinced it's the person you know, so you wave to them, only to, in that moment, realize that is not the person I thought they were. So now you feel like you're obligated to either. Yeah, it's just an awkward moment. You're, like. [00:02:39] Speaker B: You're, like, waving. You're, like, waving, hey. And they're like, it's not them. I got ham. [00:02:46] Speaker C: It's pumpkin spice ham. [00:02:48] Speaker B: Pumpkin spice ham. [00:02:49] Speaker C: Have you heard of it? [00:02:50] Speaker B: Have a good day. I'm an idiot. [00:02:53] Speaker C: I'm an idiot. [00:02:54] Speaker B: Never done that in my life. [00:02:55] Speaker C: No? No. Pretty regular, actually. [00:02:57] Speaker B: Oh, I'll start this one. [00:02:58] Speaker C: Okay. [00:02:58] Speaker B: So I remember I was at a coffee shop in Midland years ago, and. And all of a sudden, this guy comes up and he starts talking to me. And I'm like, okay. [00:03:06] Speaker C: And I'm very nice guy. So you're going to entertain the conversation. Of course. So. [00:03:09] Speaker B: And I go to. I went to a larger church in Midland. And so you're like, okay. Somebody that I knew, you know, might have seen, like, might have seen me. And you know. You know, you get those times. You're like, oh, yeah. And then someone has kind of built a connection with you because they've seen you from there. And I'm like. So I'm having this conversation. Literally, it's like four minutes into this conversation, and we're talking about. [00:03:26] Speaker C: And he had no idea. [00:03:27] Speaker B: And I'm like. And I was almost a little too passive to be like, I don't. And all sudden I was kind of like, hey, I don't. I don't think I'm who you think I am. And he's like, you're Chris, right? And I'm like, no. And then it blew me. It freaked me out because my brother's name is Chris, but I'm like, he's 2,000 miles away. What is going on here? And he's like, you're not. And he said the guy's full name. And I was like, no. And that's the first time I heard the guy's name ever in my life. And then from there, there were probably six to 10 more times that I was there that I would get it. The first couple times I'm having a conversation, I'm realizing really quick, like, 30 seconds, I'm like, oh, you think I'm this guy? And then from that point on, someone would be like, hey, Chris. And I'm like, tom, I'll stop you right there. You're thinking, it's this guy. [00:04:11] Speaker C: I'm Bill. I'm Bill. [00:04:13] Speaker B: And it was so funny because you're like, almost like at the very end, like, nope, not me. Like, do I even exist anymore? And then I finally met this gu guy and he's like, dude, I get. I, I. People mistake me for you a lot. I'm like, really? Like, oh. So it just. Yeah. Interesting how that happens. [00:04:27] Speaker C: Have you ever had that moment where someone's talking to you and, and you can see physically them realize, wait, this is not the person? [00:04:33] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:04:33] Speaker C: And so their non verbals are screaming. They want to bail out of the conversation. But you're like, no, you're hooked. I'm. I'm all in on this. [00:04:39] Speaker B: And you, like, want to stay there. And you're like, and that thing with your sister, how's that rash? You know what I'm saying? Like, start saying things loud. [00:04:45] Speaker C: Anyway, this is getting comfortable for both of us right now. [00:04:48] Speaker B: It's getting better for me. So. [00:04:49] Speaker C: Yes. So, Kyle, how about you? [00:04:54] Speaker D: So I don't have any stories like that, but anecdotally I have two brothers that are three years younger than me that are twins. [00:05:03] Speaker C: Oh, wow. [00:05:05] Speaker D: So they took full advantage of that. Literally, I think for six months. Their names are Corey and Carrie. Carrie was dating this girl and if he couldn't go, Corey would go, no, shut up. [00:05:20] Speaker B: No way. No way. [00:05:21] Speaker D: Absolutely. So did the girl ever find out? No, no. [00:05:27] Speaker B: Such a Disney thing with the tensions. [00:05:29] Speaker D: Or things like that. Yeah, you couldn't tell them apart. [00:05:34] Speaker B: Oh, my goodness. [00:05:35] Speaker D: So, yeah, that's, that's all I can come up with, guys. [00:05:37] Speaker B: But that's okay. Like, that's enough drama. We could do a whole podcast on what happened with your brother for six months. [00:05:44] Speaker C: A real life parent swap. This is amazing. [00:05:47] Speaker B: Time out, time out. Parent trap. [00:05:49] Speaker C: Movie Parent Trap. That's what it was. [00:05:50] Speaker B: What kind of terrible parents go, you know what the best decision for our children? You take one across the pond, right. And never act like they even existed. [00:05:59] Speaker C: Right. [00:05:59] Speaker B: Like, do you. That's like a made for TV horror movie, right? And it's like one day they creep a, you know, punch. Oh, I didn't want to tell you that you had a whole other family. [00:06:07] Speaker C: Out there, but if the Disney logos on it, you know, it's wholesome. [00:06:10] Speaker B: It's that little stupid thing with the. Yes, yes. [00:06:15] Speaker C: Oh, my Gosh, we don't. So, anyway, so the reason why I asked this question is I had a interesting experience this past Friday night. It's football. It's here in Texas. It's getting a little bit cooler, right? So I'm up in the stands. The breeze is blowing. I'm on the top shelf because that's where we like to stand. And some of the dads and I, and we criticize everything and everyone. It's fantastic fun, and we are blowing this team out. So it's third quarter, and I'm sitting down, and at this point, I've already gotten a sweatshirt because it's cold, right? It's getting chilly, I should say. It's not cold. It's getting chilly. [00:06:44] Speaker B: I like chilly. [00:06:45] Speaker C: Chilly. And it happens to be a red sweatshirt. And I'm sitting there, and my buddy and I are talking and just kind of making each other laugh. And all of a sudden, from like four or five rows up, this little girl, like maybe three, four years old, comes bounding up and stands right in front of me, right? Which is odd, right? And she asked me very timidly, she asked me a question. I could not understand her for anything. So I was like, what was that, sweetheart? And she asked me again. I could not understand her PA going on. I was like, what was that, sweetheart? And she asked me again. So at this point, I'm like, I have to guess at what she's saying, because I have no idea. And there's two kids sitting next to me. So I'm like, maybe she's asking me, thinking I'm the dad of the two kids, if she can play with the kids. So I'm like, oh, you need to ask their dad right there if they can, you know, play with you. And she kind of walks over there. Thirty seconds later, she smack dab in front of me again, asking me questions again, okay? And so my buddy, who's a jokester, I love this guy Patrick, and he looks over at me and he goes, I think she thinks you're Santa Claus. Are you serious? Swear to God, right? So I'm thinking, this is hilarious. Let's see where this goes. And so I'm like, sweetheart, do you think I'm Santa Claus? And she started dancing and jumping, oh, my gosh. Gave me the biggest hug, and she sat on my lap, and I'm like, hands up. [00:08:00] Speaker B: Time out. Time out. Yeah. [00:08:02] Speaker C: And she starts telling me about her Barbie dolls and what she wants her. And it was like, literally the Santa Claus movie. Mom living it out in me there's. [00:08:10] Speaker B: Like a deer walking up next to you. [00:08:12] Speaker C: So I look around while this is happening, and every single parent in the area that can hear what's going on is crying from laughter. Because this guy. I mean, don't get me wrong, I'm a big guy in a red sweatshirt. [00:08:23] Speaker B: But you're not like, that big, just so you know. [00:08:25] Speaker C: And my beard isn't that white, you know, but she's like, he's preparing. Finally, the mom catches what's going on. She brings the daughter away, you know, and everything else. And, you know, I stand up and declare to the universe, I get it. I'm fat. I need to lose some weight. Right? And, you know, the. The dads are just rolling, crying, and. And at that moment, I found I was compelled to start calling my wife Mrs. Claus. And she was having none of it. But the. The universe has spoken. Papa Noel. Papa Noel as Papa Noel, I Now declare you Mrs. Claus. And so. [00:08:57] Speaker B: That's not Santa. That's not Santa. [00:09:00] Speaker C: You sit on the throne of lies. [00:09:02] Speaker B: Funny fact, I think in that. In that actual movie that that wasn't scripted. I'm pretty certain the guy was just walking down the street. I'm. [00:09:09] Speaker C: Yes. [00:09:10] Speaker B: But I'm pretty sure that Will Ferrell walked up in the movie Elf and was like, santa, that's not standing. The guy's like, what's going on? [00:09:15] Speaker C: He's got the headphones on. [00:09:17] Speaker B: Yes. [00:09:18] Speaker C: Oh, man. So anyways, if you see me out and about and you happen to call me Papa Noel, I'll respond now. [00:09:25] Speaker B: So open for gigs. [00:09:27] Speaker C: One of the dads trying to make me feel better. He's like, well, you do have a jolly personality. I was like, that's not what I want to hear. That's like going on a blind date. And the first comment is, she has a great personality. Great personality. I hate my life. [00:09:42] Speaker B: Well, she was punctual. [00:09:46] Speaker C: Oh, man. Have you seen what she could do with a spreadsheet? It's amazing. [00:09:49] Speaker B: It's amazing. She excels in that. Yeah, that was good. Come on. That was really good. Let's. Okay, let's d that. [00:09:58] Speaker C: You know what? Had you not, I. I never would have picked up on that. [00:10:01] Speaker B: Wow. [00:10:02] Speaker C: I know. I know. [00:10:03] Speaker B: That was pretty good. I think it was pretty good. Thank you, Kyle. Thank you. [00:10:06] Speaker C: Kyle said you got it right away. So anyways, Bill, what are we talking about today? [00:10:10] Speaker B: We're talking about. It's Papa Noel. [00:10:12] Speaker C: Let us get back on the rail. [00:10:18] Speaker B: I can't wait for Christmas movies either. Sorry, we're totally off the rail now. I can't wait for Christmas, so. Well, you know, today as I was having more conversations and, man, with everything going on from election stuff to just life that I had heard, and I think we even talked about this one time that we were talking to someone yesterday. We had actually, I was getting a haircut by someone who I know was probably like, diametrically opposed to my viewpoint. But what I did love about it was, was we had a really good conversation that kind of kicked it off because even as I was sitting there, we started talking about. We didn't totally agree on our political and, you know, even our. Even some of our moral views. But it was interesting how we were able to have a good conversation and brought up the fact that said. Never heard that thing about, you know, when you put a hundred red ants and 100 black ants inside a box, right? They really won't attack each other, but the minute you shake it up, they start attacking each other. And, man, we're in this part in our world where it is so, like, it's so divided. It's so. And I'm like, how do we even have a conversation? I know there's a lot more to that, but what it really came down is like, how do we even. We've lost the art of conversation. How do we, like, do anything to get it back? How do we connect with people and really build. Build. [00:11:34] Speaker C: Well, you're wrong. And we should fight, correct? [00:11:36] Speaker B: Exactly. That's exactly it. There's this thing called the loneliness paradox. And it's this idea that we are the most connected people in the world, but yet. And we have the most opportunity to connect, whether it's online, in person, we actually have the most time with all this technology. We really do have time to where what we had to do for. For 40 or 50 hours a week, even 100 years ago, we can get done in maybe a day or two, quite frankly, right. With all this technology. And so which would then seem to free us up with more time to spend time with people. But we are yet the loneliest generation, the loneliest group of people. And so how do we. How do we combat that? How do we fight that? And so was just walking through kind of this idea of like where we are now, what do we do now? How do we do this? How do we help engage lonely people? How do we break this concrete that is like, we just cannot connect with people anymore. [00:12:30] Speaker C: I think the conversation is a timely conversation. I think it's a very important conversation. And there's a few things that I think I'm just going to throw out there. It's kind of like the foundation to move from. First and foremost is this. There is a. There's a tension inside of me of being right and being inquisitive. [00:12:50] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:12:51] Speaker C: Often I will approach people that I know are at a. At a different political view or moral view or even view of faith. [00:12:59] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:13:01] Speaker C: And I will take on the posture of like, well, my job is to prove that I'm right, which indicates that they would be wrong. Yeah. Instead of having an inquisitive spirit of asking questions. I think that's one of the hidden gems of Jesus. You see, he asked questions all the time. He asked questions because in the asking of the question, what he's discerning, which I think is really important posture of Jesus is he's discerning is this a person of peace or is this a dogmatic Pharisee or Sadducee, that regardless of what happens right in front of them, they're going to live and die on their current belief, structure their current worldview. And I think that's so important. And you see that when Jesus sent out his 12 disciples or when he sent out the 72, he said the same exact thing. Look for people and places of peace. And when you find them, stay there. Invest in that relationship, invest in that community. And I think that's really important. And the other side that he says is don't throw your pearls before swines. And so as we're talking about connecting and talking and having conversations, I do think it's really important for us from the very beginning to realize there are some that. That you are not called to and it is an absolute waste time. And they may be in your family and they may be in your neighborhood, and they may be some of your co workers. And that doesn't mean you ignore them. That doesn't mean that you hate them. That does not give. You still have grace, mercy, and forgiveness in everything that you do. But that indicates you're not the one for that conversation. [00:14:29] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:14:30] Speaker C: The Spirit loves them. Jesus loves and died for them. Someone is there, but that is not you. If you're not finding peace and not comfort, but you know, if they're not willing to have a conversation first. Peter 3:15 says it this way. Be ready to give an answer to anyone who asks about the hope and someone of peace is willing to have that ask, they will have the reciprocal inquisitive posture about understanding where we come from, what we believe, and why we believe what we believe, rather than Just trying to prove us wrong all the time. And I think that's a really important point, foundation posture to have as we move forward in this conversation. [00:15:08] Speaker B: No, I totally agree with you. I think that's, that, that's something that I, that I love that we started with. Because I think there is this moment where it's not one specific people group that isn't taught that we're like, trying to like, connect to, but it's more of a man. There's a lot more people in the middle right now that are just like, I, I don't know what I really. Where I'm at. And I, and I have these beliefs. But now I've been, I've been sectioned off to this side or I've been sectioned off to this side. And I don't. But I'm really not on either of them. How, like, I'm not like going to go and march the streets for either one right now. I just want somebody. And I think there's, there's wisdom in saying they look different. When I look at the disciples of Jesus, you know, I mean, Matthew was a tax collector. He was probably wealthy, I mean, and all. And I'm not, you know, and, you know, but then there was Simon the Zealot, who literally the idea of the zealots were like, we're going to take over the government by force. [00:16:01] Speaker C: Right. [00:16:01] Speaker B: And then you had a fisherman and you had multiple fishermen. Yes. Yeah. And you had, you had a young, a young kid. John was a teenager, you know, so you have all these different people in different people groups. So Jesus wasn't like, I'm just going to grab this type of person. He was willing to say, let's have a conversation. Are you someone who wants to, you know, and as I looked at it. [00:16:22] Speaker C: I think that's why it's so important. Like, like Jesus didn't demand. He asked, will you follow me? And that is the indicator of like, hey, are you willing to go into this conversation where it needs to go? If you're a person of peace, you'd be like, yeah, let's go. Let's have this conversation. I'm willing to learn as you are willing to learn. [00:16:40] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:16:40] Speaker C: And that, and that posture is so huge and we've lost that. [00:16:43] Speaker B: Yeah. Like, you know, even, even so gimbal. Matthew was probably wealthy, had the mat, you know, had a party with his friends after, you know, he came to know Jesus and like, how do we do? But then there was the rich young ruler who came in and was like, Tell me to do it. He's like, give up everything. And he walked away. And you're right. He's got to be. We've got to be willing to look at people and go, maybe right now is not the time that I'm supposed to connect with him, but there's somebody else that God put me in. So I think in today's conversation, it's how do. Okay, now that we've looking at somebody, how do we start to make this connection with them? And I kept thinking about, what are the things that we could really do that we've overlooked, especially in the American church? And honestly, the first thing. And people are gonna. They're gonna roll their eyes when they hear this. They're gonna go, this is cliche, but I think it's praying. I think it's getting ourselves to a point to go, man. Even as I read, I was reading through some scriptures and it was like this idea of. Of seeking the Lord in the idea of man casting our burdens on the Father and saying, hey, God, I believe you're telling me to reach out to this person. Can you open a door for me? I believe, can you soften their heart? [00:17:51] Speaker C: Right. [00:17:52] Speaker B: Preparing the soil before we go and have the conversation? And I think just being ready to go, hey, God, I'm gonna call them this week. Can you open a door of opportunity with that? I think more times than not, I know, especially in ministry, we've had to confront people on things and we bring it to prayer and go, hey, God, I don't really want to talk to him about this. Can you open an opportunity? Or can you give me courage to make that step? And he does. It's not easy, but there's those moments, and I think. So first, preparing that sow by going, how do we just pray for this person? Taking the time to literally write their name down, say, I'm going to take a week and I'm going to pray for this person every day. So that when I want to connect with them, when I think this is the person that I should connect with, here's a practical truth. I'm bringing this to the Father because I trust him most. [00:18:34] Speaker C: Yep. Well, and Jesus even goes further. He says, not only pray for the people you want to connect with or your friends, family, or the people that battling cancer or whatever it is, he goes as far as to say, you should be praying for your enemies. Yeah. You know, that doesn't mean that you need to organize your life around connecting with your enemies, but be praying for them because their Soul matters to Jesus. When he died on the cross, it was for the enemies, which all of us were until that moment of faith was given to us. [00:18:59] Speaker B: Yeah. And I think, you know, if we ask in faith, in this idea of God, I just want to connect with him. And I need your power to do this because. And even these people aren't even the enemies. These people are people that I want to connect with, that I want to build a connection with. But God, can you open a door of opportunity and see what God does? So that's the first thing which really just. [00:19:17] Speaker C: Yeah. And I would say, stop right now. Wherever you are. Put us on pause. Make sure you come back, because the rest of this is gonna be great. Yeah. But make. Make two lists. One is who's an enemy? Someone that you struggle to connect with and just pray for them. Yeah. Not with anything. No, just God. That you would move within their hearts and within their lives. Number two is make that list of God. I feel like you're moving in this person's life, that they'd be a person of peace. Coordinate such a way that there might be a conversation that you could be glorified. [00:19:41] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:19:41] Speaker C: Yeah. Start that list today. [00:19:43] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:19:43] Speaker C: You know, maybe put on your bathroom mirror so that you can pray for it on a regular basis and you don't forget about it, which most of us are prone to do. [00:19:50] Speaker B: Absolutely. Like, first thing you do in the morning or whatever. But make it. Make it a goal to put that in, because we. [00:19:55] Speaker C: Over. [00:19:55] Speaker B: I overlook that when I have a stressful situation. I'm like, how do I fix it? And then all of a sudden, like. Like eight days in, I'm looking at them like, maybe I should pray. You know what I'm saying? Like, so it's bringing that first and foremost that we overlook that. But then saying, God, I want to connect this person, and then we come up with, like, a plan before we even bring it to the Father. [00:20:13] Speaker C: Correct. [00:20:13] Speaker B: So I think that's a big thing. The first thing. The second thing was really just. Just being real. You know, when I. When I look at this, I see. I see the heart of David. I don't know why God has really put that on me, but I love that we get almost the entire lifespan of David right from the time that he's a teenager all the way up of this character that we. There's not everybody. There's not a lot of people that we get their full story and all the dirt, all the good and the bad. But David was. And I know we all. We always Talk about like, you know, David danced naked in front of the. What all that kind of stuff. There is that. But there's a deeper element of his authenticity over and over again in Psalms. [00:20:46] Speaker C: Right. [00:20:47] Speaker B: That. I know that as he wrote those. I don't think he was alone when he, when he wrote those. You know, he's, he's penning this stuff. Oh, what'd you just. I wrote, check it out, you know, whatever, right? Or even, even, even in like the cave of where. Where I, I just read it this morning where Saul was. Was sitting there using the bathroom and he cut off piece of his robe off. And it's like. And he worked through it and he's like, I'm a dog. I'm not going to kill you. You're the Lord's anointed. And his buddies are like, are you kidding me? Like, he's giving you into his hand. And so the, just the authenticity really sparked people that by that point, David went from zero people to. To 600. [00:21:23] Speaker C: Right. [00:21:23] Speaker B: And something in that that was like just being authentic. But I think that's courageous that a lot of people, like, I don't want to expose a weakness in me. And we've come to believe that our authenticity produces weakness or is a sign of weakness. [00:21:38] Speaker C: Right. And I would say, you know, the narrative of David in his life is a fantastic place for me. Where I go is Paul, because Paul is this guy who again, he has this crazy story. He was the murderer. He was the guy coordinating the murder of Stephen and other followers of Jesus Christ. He has this amazing encounter. He changes his. Or God changes his name to Paul. Right? [00:22:00] Speaker B: Yep. [00:22:00] Speaker C: And then when he's writing and pending these letters, he could ignore all of that past and just be about the theology, but he doesn't. He often will in his letters go, hey, you know me, I'm the worst of sinners. [00:22:13] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. You, you. [00:22:14] Speaker C: I was a zealot for the Jewish people. I was there when Stephen. And so he was able to allow God to redeem his brokenness as a moment of connection rather than buying into the lie that people will only follow me if I pretend to be perfect. [00:22:29] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:22:30] Speaker C: And that's the lie that Satan wins too often instead of saying, no, no, no. Actually, deep connection comes through the brokenness and through the authenticity of like, hey, you know, I'm a, you know, I'm a mess up. [00:22:41] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:22:41] Speaker C: You know. [00:22:42] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:22:42] Speaker C: You know, I think some. That, that part of the reason why I, I smoke cigars. Okay. Because there's a puritan movement that has Been a part of our culture since the Pilgrims landed on, you know, the East Coast. And. And there's something about like, oh, you're a pastor and you smoke cigars. I was like, oh, yeah, you should know half of it. Like, if you knew half of what I thought about, you would think, there's no way this guy's a pastor. But by the grace of God. Yeah, I'm a pastor, and it's fun to see kind of the. The defenses and the walls come down and like, oh, this is a real dude. [00:23:15] Speaker B: Yeah. Yes. Yeah. And I love it because. Because we do. We. We. We have sectioned off certain parts, like, okay, we can't do this. We can't do this, but we can eat 3,000 calories at every potluck dinner, or we can. We can, you know, whatever. [00:23:30] Speaker C: Spend work 70 hours a week for eight years in a row. Forget about the Sabbath. Who needs a Sabbath? And, you know, remember the whole Sabbath and keep it holy. Who needs that? You know? [00:23:40] Speaker B: And I think that's. That's. I love this. This challenge of. Even Paul, he's like, be imitators of me as I imitate Christ. Correct. It's that simple. And I think finding people that were in lockstep, we make it so difficult. And so to connect with people, we're praying for them. We connect with them on a very authentic way and say, hey, I'm working on my journey, too. I don't have it all together. We have this belief that we need to have learned more or have all the right things said. But people just want our time. People just want us to be real and authentic with them and go, man, I'm a mess. I mean, you know, it's funny. We both. We both talk in a lot of different places, but I can guarantee that. Guarantee that every. Every time that we've talked, even, let's just use the men's retreats, for example. The guys weren't like. That was deep wisdom. That was like. They were more like, you're real. [00:24:27] Speaker C: Right? [00:24:27] Speaker B: You've connected with me. Yeah. And you're not perfect. And I've seen you all weekend. You're not perfect. You know, I'm saying, like. And so there's something beautiful about that, that it connects so much more. But people are like, we have this false belief that we have to walk in with this perfect, like this Ned Flanders Persona. [00:24:45] Speaker C: Correct. [00:24:45] Speaker B: And it's like, guys, we just need to be real. [00:24:47] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:24:47] Speaker B: And broken, I think. I mean, that's even us, Kyle. I mean, speaking a little bit, do you feel like we have connected more on our brokenness, all of us, than we have on. Well, I know this and I know this and I know this well, that it's like, not like, hey, does that make sense? [00:25:00] Speaker D: Absolutely. I agree 100%. [00:25:02] Speaker B: And so I think it's the more that we connect with guys. So when you're out there, you're going, man, what's my plan? Praying for these people. Just go and be yourself. Be yourself with your flaws. That is going to connect to so many more people than anything else. [00:25:14] Speaker C: Correct. [00:25:15] Speaker B: And so walking in that. And I think, just honestly, as I look at it, like, man, the authenticity of Jesus connected hopeless people to him. It wasn't like he had it like. Like people weren't just there because he was, he was, he was God, obviously, but he was authentic and he was real. Even to the point as he's sitting there in the Garden of Gethsemane, he was so authentic that it was like, hey, guys, I'm scared and I'm. I need you to pray with me. I need you to be real with me. There was moments of his weakness and that caused these men to want to. That was one of the reasons why it caused these men to want to be with him, is spending those times so. So being real and then finally, just don't give up. Like, if, you know, God called you to something, if you've prayed about it, you've prepared that God, this is what you've done. You've opened a door. God, it's not like he's gonna go, whoop, I'm going to shut that now you're done. It's like, okay, we're going to walk down this road. I'm seeking your wisdom. I'm being real and authentic. And start the conversation with these guys because I will tell you, there are so many people that are lonely. There are some people that are waiting for you to step out. And I think that's the boldness that we want in you guys today to practically go. The way we. The way that we cause this divide to not be so divided is that we would have these conversations because we have definitely lost the art of the conversation. [00:26:28] Speaker C: Right. [00:26:28] Speaker B: And being real, being authentic and sharing that really helps others understand that and ask questions. Yeah. [00:26:33] Speaker C: Like, get to know them. [00:26:34] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:26:35] Speaker C: Be more concerned about them and their story than you sharing your own story. [00:26:38] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:26:39] Speaker C: And don't be a 1 upper. Can I just say this right? [00:26:41] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:26:41] Speaker C: Don't be a one upper. And yeah, you might have a better story. You might have a. Yeah. Just don't be one upper. Let their story be their story. [00:26:48] Speaker B: I think it's Colossians. It says, let your words be seasoned with salt in the idea of, like, man, if you're the one that's like, whoa, I got this other. You know, I'm saying, like, just listen and then, man, share that hope with them. [00:27:00] Speaker C: Right? [00:27:00] Speaker B: And we, you know, even. Even this idea of. I want to share the. Okay, another thing. Let's get on soapbox for a minute. I want to share the gospel with my friends. And a lot of times we're like, if I bring them to church, right? [00:27:11] Speaker C: The pastor. [00:27:12] Speaker B: The pastor's gonna do it. And it's like, really? It's like, no, it's. Has this hope changed you? Share that hope. It's that simple. But we've made it so big. Like, well, I don't have all the right things to say. I'm like, how about you just share what changed you? Is it Jesus? If it's not, then we need to have another conversation. And, you know, like, let's talk about the gospel, how that's changed you. But examine your own life. Like, where is the hope changed? Where have I been changed? I mean, did I. Did I decide to move forward and make a better decision in my life by. By getting better with whatever. Like, hey, I need to. You know, I do want to spend more time understanding who I am as a child of God. That doesn't mean I'm learning every single Greek word, but I'm saying I'm gonna start spending time in the word because it's valuable, and then sharing that with your friend. That's what they need. [00:27:55] Speaker C: And I would say a great place to practice this is in your family. Yeah. Like, these are the postures you need to have with your wife. Be inquisitive about her. Her dreams, her desires, her hurts, and let her talk. You know, be authentic with your own shortcomings and your failures. One of the strongest things that dads can do is when they go to a kid and they're like, I overreacted there and I'm really sorry. Yes. Asking for forgiveness, acknowledging when you're wrong, acknowledging when things are out of, like, you know, you all have those crisis moments where. Where you as a dad are trying to desperately figure things out and you don't know what to do. But, yeah, just to be honest and say, I don't know what we're supposed to do, but I know we're going to be okay. [00:28:30] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:28:30] Speaker C: You know, and. And to practice that at home and Then it becomes second nature for you out in the wild. [00:28:37] Speaker B: Yeah. So be discerning, be prayerful, be real. [00:28:40] Speaker C: Yep. [00:28:41] Speaker B: And then don't give up. That's really it. Give up. [00:28:47] Speaker C: Is that cape? I don't know who that was. I'm sorry. That was horrible. [00:28:49] Speaker B: That was really good, though. [00:28:50] Speaker C: That was horrible. That's the new song. I feel like we've gone full circle and you ruined it at the beginning with the song and I. [00:28:55] Speaker B: You ruined it at the end. That's okay. And that's the Known legacy. Papa Noel. [00:29:03] Speaker C: Oh, Bill. [00:29:06] Speaker B: I want a new bicycle. Guys, thanks for checking us out today. I hope this was a blessing to you. If it is, share it with a friend. Connect with us knownlegacy.org we'd love to hear from you. [email protected] how God is doing something great in your life. And even if you have info, if you have seen this impact your life and have shared with someone else and said, no, I see this, step out. We want to hear from you and celebrate with you. Travis, final thoughts. [00:29:29] Speaker C: God bless you guys. Have a great week. [00:29:30] Speaker B: Have a great week. [00:29:33] Speaker A: Thanks for listening to the Known Legacy podcast. We'd love to hear from you. 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