Is Jesus coming back soon??

[00:00:02] Speaker A: You're listening to the Known Legacy podcast brought to you by Known Legacy Ministries. [00:00:06] Speaker B: For more information, go to knownlegacy.org now. [00:00:10] Speaker A: Here'S your hosts, Bill and Travis. [00:00:16] Speaker B: Man, you are finishing that coffee with all that's in you. That is good to the last drop. [00:00:21] Speaker C: It's really good coffee, Kyle. Thank you very much, Kyle. [00:00:23] Speaker B: You make, you make a good cup of coffee. [00:00:25] Speaker C: What kind of coffee is that, Kyle? [00:00:26] Speaker D: That is the cafe Brazil pecan bourbon. [00:00:31] Speaker B: Ooh, very good. [00:00:33] Speaker C: Delicious. Anyways, thanks for checking out Known Legacy. Glad that you guys are here. [00:00:37] Speaker B: Thanks for checking out our coffee. [00:00:38] Speaker C: Starting off with the common shtick, man, if you are finding us, YouTube, Instagram, Facebook, that's where you can find us. InfoOneLegacy.org is where you can email us. And as always, you can check out Bill's book and study guides and audible on knownlegacy.org yes. And man, glad that you guys are here today. Thank you very much for joining us. [00:00:58] Speaker B: We are so grateful to have you here, guys. Thanks for listening. Check it out, share it and make you click that little thumbs up thing at the bottom and let us know that you are here. So we appreciate all you do. [00:01:08] Speaker C: So. So, yeah. Question of the day. [00:01:11] Speaker B: Question of the day. [00:01:15] Speaker C: I hope we never actually record that. So you have to play Kyle. But we just do it every time. I love it. [00:01:20] Speaker B: I think it's good. [00:01:20] Speaker C: Okay, so Thanksgiving is around the corner. And as a larger guy, I love Thanksgiving because of the family. I love memories, blah, blah, blah. [00:01:28] Speaker B: As Papa Noel, as perceived in the. [00:01:30] Speaker C: Previous as Papa Noel, I find this is my girthing up time. It's. It's my season to girth up. [00:01:38] Speaker B: And it's getting colder outside. [00:01:40] Speaker C: I come pre insulated. I'm not fat. I'm pre insulated. [00:01:45] Speaker B: You're festively plump. [00:01:47] Speaker C: Festively plump. So here's the question today you always. You have a spread of food, right? What is your. You're so excited because this is a Thanksgiving food that you get to consume and enjoy and you're gonna carve out space on your plate for extra amounts of this item, whatever this item might be. And the flip side of that coin is what do you consider Thanksgiving food trash. Like, just throw it away. It's not touching your plate, it's not touching your lips. It's a waste of space. Never should have put it in the oven in the first place. What is that item? So those are the questions today for the question of the day, Kyle, do. [00:02:24] Speaker B: You have any thoughts that come right to mind? [00:02:26] Speaker D: I do. [00:02:27] Speaker B: Okay. [00:02:28] Speaker C: So, Kyle, in the corner. [00:02:30] Speaker D: Nothing on Thanksgiving day. The best thing about Thanksgiving is two slices and one of bread. And then everything from Thanksgiving. Turkey, stuffing, cranberry sauce, gravy, mashed potatoes all stacked on it. And make a sandwich. That's the best. [00:02:46] Speaker B: Why, that sounds pretty amazing. Yeah, like that's the day after kind of stuff. Or that. Yeah, yeah. [00:02:51] Speaker D: Because you know, you have like five days worth of food. [00:02:54] Speaker B: Yeah. Yes, yes. Plenty. Plenty of it. [00:02:56] Speaker D: And then the worst thing, and I. I don't know, this probably isn't for everybody, but we had an aunt that would bring cauliflower with cheese. [00:03:04] Speaker A: What? [00:03:05] Speaker D: Yeah. Oh, man. I don't even. Don't waste the cheese. [00:03:09] Speaker B: First of all, why did you brewing this cheese? [00:03:12] Speaker D: Why? Yeah. [00:03:13] Speaker C: Terrible. [00:03:14] Speaker D: And side note, don't put the. The nuts in the sweet potatoes. [00:03:18] Speaker C: Oh. Oh. He's a sweet potato purist. [00:03:22] Speaker B: I don't know. Man stuff the better. [00:03:24] Speaker C: So for me, okay, I gotta be honest, I. This is. I did not know this even existed until I moved to Houston, Texas. And this is like the family thing. Deep fried turkey. Deep fried turkey. And it is. If you've never had deep fried turkey, let me tell you something, you will never go back. You will deep fry turkey. And here's a buddy of mine did this. He started doing this a few years ago. He'll smoke the turkey to an internal temp of like 1:30. He'll pull it and then he'll deep fry it so that skin gets all crusty and crunchy and everything on the outside. So he has smoked deep fried turkey. And I'm trying it this year and it's going to be amazing. Fat kid happy. Amazing. That's it. [00:04:01] Speaker B: That's so. [00:04:03] Speaker C: Okay. In my. In my. I could do without. I've never. I've never, never tried it. Well, I tried it once. Hated it. Cranberries. Cranberry sauce. [00:04:12] Speaker B: Like cranberry sauce. No, it has to look like the can. [00:04:16] Speaker D: No, it has to look like the can. And it's the only time of the. [00:04:19] Speaker C: Year you eat it. [00:04:20] Speaker B: Yes. [00:04:20] Speaker C: Which indicates it's horrible. Like, that's the end. Like, if it was that good, you would eat it other times of the year. The fact you only eat it at this time, I think it's more memories. It's horrible. It's trash. [00:04:31] Speaker B: I think we found our dividing lines. [00:04:34] Speaker C: So we're looking for a new [email protected]. farewell and sweet and saying goodbye. [00:04:40] Speaker D: We are at an impasse. [00:04:41] Speaker B: We are at an impasse now. I don't know what we can do here. How about you, Bill? So for me, the thing I. I gotta. Look, I feel like there's so much that I love. So you're gonna. Yeah, I know. It's terrible. So I do. I do a smoked turkey now, so I've gotta have that thing covered. My. My. My wife makes this amazing gravy, which is probably just generic gravy or whatever, but it's so good. And that on everything. And then as well as there is. She does she. I think we do like, these. These, like that, like, bean. The. With, like, the onions on the. On. On, like the. The green bean casserole kind of thing. Very good. [00:05:22] Speaker C: With the French onions. The little. [00:05:23] Speaker B: I think so. [00:05:24] Speaker C: Onions on top. [00:05:25] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And. But the thing that I. And. And rest in peace. My mother, she's in heaven now, so I can say this. She used to bring these pearl onions with her. [00:05:35] Speaker C: Oh. [00:05:35] Speaker B: And like. And she's like, oh, I made pearl onions. I'm like, okay. It's like up there with tuna noodle casserole. You know, I'm saying. I'm like, I just can't do it. But I will say one of the things I do love that my wife. And my wife can't stand. She makes homemade stuffing. [00:05:53] Speaker C: Yes. [00:05:54] Speaker B: Okay. I know I'm white trash. Okay. So let's just put that out there. Me and my daughter love Stovetop. [00:06:00] Speaker D: Oh, the best. [00:06:01] Speaker B: It's the best with the gravy on it. I've got to have it on my plate. [00:06:05] Speaker C: Okay. I saw this hack the other day that I think you need to try. Do you have a waffle press at your house? [00:06:09] Speaker B: I do. [00:06:10] Speaker C: Take the stuffing the day after. Take the stuffing, make a waffle out of it, and then throw the turkey on top. [00:06:14] Speaker B: Oh, my gosh. [00:06:15] Speaker C: So it's. [00:06:15] Speaker D: That'll fit on a sandwich. [00:06:18] Speaker C: Oh, man. [00:06:20] Speaker B: This is like heaven came down and glory filled my soul. [00:06:24] Speaker D: Can you do that with mashed potatoes? [00:06:27] Speaker C: I'm sure you can. [00:06:28] Speaker B: Oh, so there was. Okay, so timeout. So. And in New York, sandwich is getting. [00:06:33] Speaker C: This big, by the way. And. [00:06:34] Speaker B: Yeah, I know this sandwich is huge. And, you know, our guest is Pastor Duke. He's. He's on. Man, we're so glad to have you on today. But I wanted to bring this in as well, because, man, we had. There was a guy that I worked for. His name was Rich Paulson. [00:06:47] Speaker C: Yes. [00:06:47] Speaker B: And. And he used to have this little deli underneath where I used to work. And every Thursday, they would do this thing called the turkey trot wrap, and it was turkey cranberry. Mashed potatoes and stuffing and a couple other things all put together. It was the most incredible wrap I've ever had in the cranberries in there, and it just was incredible. So maybe I'll have to try. [00:07:12] Speaker C: Go back to the cranberry and try it yet again. But, man, use it with it. [00:07:16] Speaker B: Maybe. Maybe with it, but not away from it. Maybe that's it. Maybe that's it. Only with Pastor Duke. We're so glad to have you on today. So what about you, Travis? Can you ask that question again to Pastor Duke? [00:07:32] Speaker C: So, Pastor Duke, in your storied career of wisdom and ministry, Thanksgiving rolls around. What dish are you looking forward to and what dish are you like? I'll pass. [00:07:42] Speaker B: Hard pass. [00:07:43] Speaker A: Well, I've been tuning in what you guys have been sharing. And, Billy, I've. I've known you and loved you for about 35 years, since you were about 14 years old. And for the first time, I am disappointed in you, man. Your wife's grandma. B. Saint yes. Made greatest stuffing in the history of the world. [00:08:05] Speaker B: Okay, I'll try it this year. [00:08:08] Speaker A: I am disappointed in you, man. [00:08:10] Speaker B: Can you get me on the screen for a second? Can you get me on the screen? Yes, sir. I'll do better. I feel like I just been found. [00:08:22] Speaker C: Make sure Sarah listens to this one. [00:08:25] Speaker A: You threw a loser there, buddy. Wow. [00:08:29] Speaker B: All right, I'll try. I will promise this year. Hand to God, I will try it this year. [00:08:33] Speaker C: I'll tell you, this is why I love Pastor Duke and having him, because he just brings truth, man. [00:08:36] Speaker B: He just speaks truth with love. [00:08:38] Speaker C: He will crush you with the truth of God. [00:08:41] Speaker B: I will say my wife's grandmother was an amazing cook. Be Saint Jalen. She was really incredible. So, yes, I will try it this year. I don't want to get yelled anymore. [00:08:50] Speaker C: Okay, well, and when you try it, just say, this doesn't taste quite as good as your mother's and see how she reacts. [00:08:55] Speaker B: Oh, no, I am not doing that. I need to sleep. [00:08:59] Speaker A: No, he's not that dumb. [00:09:00] Speaker B: I'm not that. Exactly. I'm not stupid. [00:09:03] Speaker C: This is okay. But your mom really knew how to cook this. [00:09:06] Speaker B: Oh, good gracious. So what about you? What's your favorite? What's your most go to thing that you love and thing that you can't stand? [00:09:13] Speaker A: Oh, the. The stuffing. It's. It's the family favorite. But the green bean casserole. Don't ruin the onion rings. I put them on top. Just serve them by themselves. Green bean. You got all those significant groceries around you, and then you got green bean casserole. I don't want that on my plate. [00:09:30] Speaker C: That's not a time for all that waste. [00:09:32] Speaker B: Oh, there's not a time for vegetables. It's time to fall asleep and then eat some pie later on. Yes, it's a good day. Well, we are so. [00:09:40] Speaker C: Follow up question. [00:09:40] Speaker B: Yes, follow up question. [00:09:41] Speaker C: Okay, go to pie. What's your pie? [00:09:43] Speaker B: Oh, what's yours, Duke? [00:09:47] Speaker C: Go for it. [00:09:48] Speaker A: Me? [00:09:48] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:09:50] Speaker A: Cranberry. Oh, my gosh. Pie with nuts. It's just. It's ridiculous. [00:09:57] Speaker B: Yeah, he can make it. Good. [00:09:59] Speaker C: Well, thanks for checking out known legacy. It's wonderful you guys are here. It's time to go. I'm out. [00:10:03] Speaker B: Travis. Travis is the anti. The anti cranberry guy. [00:10:06] Speaker A: It is not cranberry cranberry sauce. It's cranberries and nuts and all apples. It changed your life, man. [00:10:12] Speaker B: Change your life. [00:10:13] Speaker C: It's. [00:10:13] Speaker B: It's almost gospel. [00:10:14] Speaker C: So, dude, do you know Bill's address? Send him a pie. We will try it on there on air. [00:10:20] Speaker B: We will send it. [00:10:21] Speaker A: You know what? [00:10:22] Speaker B: I do miss the Hungarian nut bars that you make. The Hungarian nut. Oh, they're amazing. [00:10:27] Speaker A: So top of the food chain. Absolutely. [00:10:29] Speaker B: Oh, they're incredible. At least send me the recipe. They're so good. They're so good. Anyways, man, we're so glad to have you on today, and, man, I wanted to get you on. I want to talk to you. You know, you've been someone who shared a lot of wisdom with me. I'd love you to share wisdom with, you know, with our listeners as well, about kind of where we are, the world, the state, all that kind of stuff, and would love to hear your thoughts on everything. So I'll cut to the chase. [00:10:51] Speaker C: Is Jesus coming back tomorrow? That's the question. [00:10:54] Speaker B: That's the question. [00:10:55] Speaker C: Is he coming back tomorrow? Let's go Correct. [00:10:57] Speaker B: That's the question. [00:10:58] Speaker A: Well, since we're this close to Thanksgiving, I'd like maybe hold off till about four people. [00:11:06] Speaker B: Good call. [00:11:08] Speaker A: Oh, I'm ready. I. I watch what's going on in the world, and it's. It's definitely the birth pains have begun. It's getting interesting. Wars and rumors of wars. You could go a thousand different directions with that. But it's. Things are gearing up. [00:11:24] Speaker C: It's. [00:11:24] Speaker A: It's exciting. I focus a lot of my [email protected] Unashamedly, I probably 50 of minor on prophetic topics. But crazy days, the nations are aligning. And yeah, Sodom has Returned and it's going to be a glorious day. I got my eye on that millennial kingdom when everybody's going to be hippies. You know that, don't you? They'll be growing our own herbs. That's not including marijuana. [00:11:57] Speaker C: Good disclaim there. [00:11:58] Speaker B: It is a wonderful thing. [00:11:59] Speaker A: I got everything in my garden but marijuana. [00:12:02] Speaker B: There you go. [00:12:05] Speaker C: So let me, let me ask, what are some indicators for you and kind of what's your philosophy? Because I know there's a lot of different views of the end times and there's the dispensational amillennialist, there's pre and post rapture and all that kind of set the table for you, your theological approach to this. And what are some of the indicators that you're seeing that as someone who studied this for a long time, that you're kind of saying, man, in my view, as I kind of understand the end times, these are things that I'm seeing that are tangible and are indicating the birth pains are upon us. [00:12:42] Speaker A: Well, one's position on eschatology ultimately escalates or extrapolates. How about that word for an old hippie? It comes from our manner of interpretation of the Word of God. If we take a historic, literal, contextual interpretation of Scripture. I think most people land on premillennialism. I have friends that are mid trib, pre millennialist. I see it as pre trib. But to me the biggest sign of all is the rebirth of the modern state of Israel and retaking, which happened in 1948, only three years after Satan came within a hair's breadth of annihilating the Israeli people or the Jewish people. There was no Israel yet. And if Satan can take them out, then the prophecies cannot be literally fulfilled and he sort of wins. But 1948, May 14th was a big day. June 10th, 1967 was a huge day as they retook the modern city Jerusalem, according to the teaching of Jesus. And as Zechariah said, when you see Israel surrounded by armies which they have been of late, all the world turning against Israel as the United nations continuously votes against them all literally fulfilled right before our eyes. Scripture gave the clear alignment of the nations. Basically I like to call it a northeast, southeast, east, Westy. The Antichrist arises from the revived Roman Empire nation. Daniel two, Daniel seven. We have the. The northern confederacy I call Northy Gog. Ancient Gog is modern day Russia aligned out with Iran. Iran, Ethiopia, Turkey, all that confederation is in place. The the kings of the east, the army, some believe 200 million from Revelation. Third Revelation 9. China would qualify to do that. They built the. The Silken Road, Belton Road, sometimes the Silken Road towards the Middle east for I think ultimately the army to cross over for the final battle of Armageddon. We have the kings of the south. Egypt is due south. It's the largest of the Sunni nations. I believe Islam will hate the Antichrist. Yes, because he confirms a covenant with the Jewish people. Daniel9 and they're going to freak out. Now we also know there's the Antichrist steps onto the rebuilt temple and in the middle of the tribulation, and declares himself to be God. And so that temple is a lot of talk about the rebuilding of the temple. Recently we had the whole issue of the red heifer, the ashes, the red heifer to make the anointing apothecary to sanctify that temple. So things are brewing for the temple. And if the Jews, I think the Antichrist, the way I see it chronologically, would be granting the Jews permission to rebuild. When they do, Islam totally freaks out. They pull together. They come up from the south. Daniel 11, verse 40. The kings of the south come up. The king of the north, Russia, comes down with her allies simultaneously against the mountains of Israel. Ezekiel 38. They're supernaturally destroyed by God. I think the Antichrist takes credit for that. And the world sees it. Revelation, chapter 13, I think it's verse four. Who's able to make war with him? And, and so all these battlegrounds line with the nations were given like two, six hundred years ago and they're all together today. So I think it's drawing near. Of course, Jesus said, nobody knows the day or the hour. So yeah, it's my cup of tea. I watch it closely, ready to go, telling people about it. And people who don't even know the scriptures kind of sense something's up, they'll use the term, was it for Revelation. Apocalyptic? Yeah, it's apocalyptic of proportion. [00:16:51] Speaker C: Right. [00:16:51] Speaker A: And so, yeah, interesting days. So I'm ready to go. Well, right after that Thanksgiving dinner. [00:16:58] Speaker B: Yes, after Thanksgiving. [00:16:59] Speaker C: So I feel like maybe you can spend a little bit more time doing the research on this. Anyways, two questions. The how are you seeing digital ID and what they're doing in England and forcing that kind of digital ID and AI? And how are those two new developments within our technology, within our world, allowing things to kind of progress where the return may come, if that makes sense. How do you see those two things weave into it? [00:17:30] Speaker A: Well, when we focus on Revelation 13, we see antichrist sitting on the throne in Jerusalem, claiming to be God. He unfolds a system, a non cash system of finance. You have to have the mark of the beast or you can't buy or sell anything. And when I first read that in 1972, it sounded kind of Star Trek to me. Well, not so much now because it's going to be a technocracy. And we couldn't see that 15, 20 years ago, but now we can. I think digital, universal, Digital ID is certainly part of the Antichrist system. Now question rises, can we have this technology, can we have chips embedded in the hand and have it not be the mark of the beast? I would say yes, a guarded yes. But I would say these things will be in place. And so when he institutes it, it's not going to be a shock to the world. Like, where did this come from? Well, it's here, Digital id. We have digital money, we have scanners, we have the hardware, software. Everything's in place for this technocracy. And that was hard to see even 30 years ago, but it's here today. So I think that's a leading indicator. Yeah. [00:18:48] Speaker B: What do you think, you know, when we think about AI and things like that, what are your thoughts on that when it comes to end time stuff now? I mean, I've done research, I've watched a lot of Terminator movies and things like that. [00:19:00] Speaker C: Documentaries, they're documentaries. [00:19:03] Speaker B: But I mean, what's your thoughts on that when it comes to all this? Like is, I mean, just, just on your own personal viewpoint of, of AI and things like that? Because a lot of people are scared, completely scared of it. And I lean against it, I think, because I mean even, and I joke, but even the generation of every movie that I watched and then I look at, it's like it became the thing that kind of birthed the false, false life, false kind of thing. What are your thoughts with some of that? I know it's a random question, but I'd love to hear your thoughts on that. [00:19:31] Speaker A: Well, kind of humorously on the personal side, I googled myself a couple weeks ago and found an AI bio on myself. And it was great. It was really nice to me and I was shocked that it was there. I'm like, who made that happen? Yeah, but there was a bio on me and it was great. It was way better than I could have done for myself because I probably wouldn't have said the nice things about myself that it did. So I. It could be positive, it could be negative, but here's. I think the Most important thing is I've pondered this a lot. There's this thing I like to call crossing the line. The time of Noah, when God's judgment was about to fall. The Bible says that the world was filled with violence and there was an event that took place. I see it in Genesis, chapter six, I think verse three. Were the sons of God, who I believe were the fallen angels sexually cohabited with the daughters of men. The genetic result of that were giants in the land and men of renown, whatever that was. There's a lot of debate and controversy over really what that's all about. But here's what there's no debate over. They crossed the line. Noah built an ark and judgment was coming. Like we say to see the same principle in Genesis 11 at the tower of Babel, they tuned God out. We're not going to spread out and replenish the earth. We're doing. We're going to stay here. We're going to build a tower to heaven. We get to heaven without you, God. And they crossed the line. God sent judgment. It was a soft judgment in that nobody died. But it changed the history of the world. And so there's this crossing of the line thing. And I think AI is humanly crossing the line. [00:21:20] Speaker C: Gotcha. [00:21:20] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:21:21] Speaker A: Together with a lot of eugenics, it's tied together with the human transhuman movement. With AI, it's all in the. In bed together. And this transhuman movement is to me is. Is crossing the line. Sodom, Gomorrah crossed the line. Tower, Babel, they crossed the line. Time of Noah, they crossed the line. And in my view, AI transhumanism kind of put together crosses the line. AI right on the edge of omniscience. [00:21:57] Speaker C: Right. [00:21:57] Speaker A: It can certainly be used fantastically. I've been listening to some AI driven speeches. Supposedly it looks like when you watch it by Elon Musk and they're fantastic. But it even says that it's not Elon Musk. It's been digitally redone, but it just takes all the facts, pulls them together and lays them out in. In my conservative worldview, and it's absolutely phenomenal. But if that's in the hands of the evil one and could put a demonic twist on it, I think it's very dangerous. We've lived 6,000 years without it in recorded history. I think we do bet we'd be better off without it and just let human in ingenuity rise and fall as it will. So with AI, it gives average people access to fabulous intelligence and so one thing for sure, it ain't going away. And it will be a major part of what unfolds from here on out. [00:22:53] Speaker C: It's the original promise in Genesis 3. You shall be like God. [00:22:57] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. Well, and I. The more that I. The more that I see AI, I feel like it actually removes some creativity. Oh yeah, it almost dumped me because even me, like, I'll use it sometimes. I'm like, I did. I actually did the same thing. Hey, can you write a bio for me? And I'm like, huh, that was better than I could do, you know. Thank you. It's really amazing. So I think there is that. But what I guess some of my heart that speaks about it today is, man, there's a lot of people, believers who are scared and don't know where to start with learning truth. So if you looked at a new believer, say they've been, you know, been a believer less than five years. A lot of people kind of stay away from Revelation. They stay away from Daniel because they're like, I'm almost too scared. What's some recommendation? How would you shepherd someone to start to learn more about end times and gain a belief of their own? What would you say to them? [00:23:45] Speaker A: I believe Jesus would say to them, fear not. He wrote 31% of the Bible in a prophetic sense, especially focused in on the second advent of Jesus. I think it's good news. I think it takes away fear. People sometimes have just a fear of maybe interpreting wrongly and being put down, persecuted, laughed upon people. I heard a guy use it in a negative way. Oh, you're just one of those rapture rescue people. Well, hello. The Lord himself will descend from heaven with a shout, the voice of the archangel, trump of God. The dead shall be raised incorruptible. Like, yeah, that's good news. I'm not going to shy away from that. There is a huge concerning movement to me towards amillennialism based upon allegorical method of interpretation, which puts the interpreter as the authority rather than text as the authority. And it's so easy to take a literal interpretation of scripture Today with the literal rebirth of Israel, they're literally taking a Jerusalem. The literal technology is here for the mark of the beast. So I think we need to give more attention to it, not shy away from it. I think one of the negatives of all this is the Internet. I have a podcast and I, I just finished the Book of Daniel, did nine sessions on the Book of Daniel. It's. It's absolutely fantastic in Daniel as it closes out God said he was going to kind of close the book and. And for about 2500 years, Daniel was kind of over everybody's heads. But in the time of the end, that. That seal has been taken off of it. And it just fits everything chronologically in order. It gives the chronology of the coming of the Jewish Messiah, the. The end times events. So you are correct. There is a shying away from all this. And then I hear preachers saying, I know they mean well. Well, I'm just staying with the gospel. Well, I think 31 of the Bible is connected to the gospel, the prophetic element. It's the prophecies of the Bible that set it apart. Jesus said, I tell you before it happens. Why. So that when it happens, you will believe. [00:26:08] Speaker C: Right. [00:26:08] Speaker A: And so I, I think instead of shying away, we should jump in. And I don't have a lock on all this stuff, but I'm having a blast trying to figure it out. [00:26:18] Speaker C: I love it. [00:26:18] Speaker B: Yeah, I love your heart with that because I feel like it does open. It keeps the discussion open for people that are. That are in just kind of wondering and thinking and. Yeah, I just, I think that's the encouragement, I think is to not be afraid. Correct, but to seek out the truth. Where would you tell someone to start when it comes to Scriptures? Hey, if I just want to learn. Because again, like I said, people get so lost. Where would you tell them, hey, this is a great starting point. [00:26:42] Speaker A: Well, hopefully the best starting point is being a good church with a good pastor and elders looking out for you. Systematically reading the Bible. Personally, and something that I have done over the years is I've got people that are really, really excited about understanding the scriptures. I recommend to them. Oh, what is that? That big Wilmington. Wilmington's Guide to the Bible. Billy, you may remember Chris Brown, the deaf guy? [00:27:13] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. Yep. [00:27:14] Speaker A: Called to preach. He read through. Let me just. Guide to the Bible four times in one year from COVID to cover four times. And at the end of that year, it's like he'd been to Bible college and got his. Finished his grad program. I felt he was doctrinally sound. He had a good working knowledge of eschatology, soteriology. It's systematic theology. Is. Is racist. Really good, but it takes discipline. It's a big book, but I think it does people well. So if I get somebody that's like dead dog serious about going deeper in the word of God and they have a desire to teach, I think if they sit down with their Bible and read a few chapters and just kind of wade through Wilmington's guide to the Bible. It's going to hit every area of eschatology. It's going to go just deep enough that it. You're not crazy buried in it. It's going to give you all the practical things, going to show you all the arguments on all the theological positions where you can kind of see it isn't just channeling you in one direction. It does have its own position. It's pre millennial preacher as I am. It does enforce the position that I hold to, but it also gives the other arguments of amillennialism, post millennialism, etc. [00:28:25] Speaker C: Good. [00:28:25] Speaker A: And so I, I think that's a great way to just kind of. You're not really just under the tutelage of one man, Dr. Wilmington. But it's a. It's a tried and true way to not spend a ton of money and get a ton of knowledge very quickly. [00:28:41] Speaker C: That's awesome. [00:28:42] Speaker B: Yeah. We can put that link and this is probably on Amazon right now. I'll put it on the link for this video to kind of forbid. To kind of dig in. And that's the biggest thing I really wanted to have you on for is the reason I love. Well, I love you anyways. You're awesome. But I feel like you always come from a very gracious heart. Heart and a very understanding heart. That's not like you're an idiot if you do this. You're an idiot. Like, but man, don't. Don't be afraid. And I love that heart from you. It's kind of like you pastored me so well. [00:29:06] Speaker A: We're not trying to win the argument. We're just trying to discern the scriptures. [00:29:10] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:29:11] Speaker A: We want to have ready for when the Lord does come. Yes. We want to be living such a life of joy and expectancy that people see it and say, you know, they're watching the world fall apart apart. I'm watching the world come together. [00:29:27] Speaker C: Right. [00:29:27] Speaker A: So I, I think that, you know, putting our. Our walk with our talk with some strong, exciting eschatology, I think it makes us dangerous as a dangerous tool in the hands of Jesus against the. The powers of darkness. [00:29:44] Speaker B: I love that. [00:29:45] Speaker C: I love it. I feel like in a lot of ways if, if you've ever seen the movie Sixth Sense. Yeah. You know, where there's all these little clues that are leading up to it, and it's not until the very moment that the ring hits the ground and you're like, oh, and then it all fits. And I feel like, you know, with the prophecies of Jesus, the coming Messiah, when his birth and death and resurrection happens. There's a whole host of Old Testament scriptures that finally make sense. You're like, oh, yeah, that makes. And I feel like in many ways there's clues that God has in. Put into motion or is aware of what's going to happen. So he's shared that with us. These little highlights, these little foreshadowings that at the final moment we'll go, oh, that makes sense. I feel like that's kind of where we're at right now, where there's all these little clues and hints and things we can be aware of if we're wise and discerning to see. Yeah, Jesus is still active. He's still here. There's a lot of hope that his message is still relevant to this day. And he's going to come back. And guess what? I get to be called one of his kids. [00:30:47] Speaker B: And that's great news. [00:30:48] Speaker C: So I have nothing to fear. [00:30:49] Speaker A: I like to call those the aha moments. You know, you're studying it out, you're seeking God, you're asking for wisdom, you're putting scripture with scripture. You have no fear to do that. And I've had passages of scriptures that I just couldn't. How does this fit? How does this fit? How does this fit? And then you have that aha moment, and it fits perfectly. [00:31:07] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:31:08] Speaker A: And it's exciting to, to be a student of the word of God. I've been 53 years now. I've been saved. And the last quite a few years, I've been able to read through the Bible every month. And I'm at 202 reads through the scriptures. And every time I read through the scriptures, I see things I never saw before. I'm like, how could I miss that? 201 times. [00:31:28] Speaker C: Yes. [00:31:29] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:31:29] Speaker A: And the 202nd time I got it, it's a living word, tighter and tighter. And it's joyful to, to, to be a student scripture without fear. And I've had the Holy Spirit correct me on that position I mentioned about in Revelation, Genesis, chapter six, the sons of God. I was taught those were the, the, the line of, of the fallen line of. Just, just drawing a blank here. Abel, Cain, fallen line of Cain. And, uh, and I held to that because I was taught that I love those men. They were godly men. But as I studied it out further, I don't hold to that anymore. I've changed a few things over the years because I'm not trying to just defend a Position. I'm trying to lift up a savior, and I think our scriptures. Yeah. I think our spirit in which we handle these things is real important as well. [00:32:28] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:32:29] Speaker C: Love it. [00:32:30] Speaker B: This is good. This is good wisdom. And I think. Yeah. As we, as we close up, any final thoughts to those who are listening, who are kind of like, man, I just. I. Yeah, I'm still living in a spirit of fear, but, man, I'm gonna. I'm gonna seek this out. What's some. If you had another minute with someone who's. Who's in that, what. What's the last thing that you would say to them right now? [00:32:48] Speaker A: Oh, back to me, huh? [00:32:49] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:32:53] Speaker A: Enjoy the ride. It's going to happen. It's going to unfold. No matter what we believe, Jesus isn't sitting on the throne in heaven waiting for you and I to figure something out so he can now have liberty to do whatever he's going to do. He's sovereign. Just enjoy the ride. Keep your eyes on Jesus. Keep your hand on the plow. Don't worry about what you don't understand. Celebrate what you do. But I think the more we understand there, there's a thirst that comes with that, a holy hunger for the word of God. And I think as we seek, we should not lose sight, that seekers are finders, and that we please the Lord by loving his word, esteem it better than our daily bread. And so when I sit down with the Scriptures, I'm not frustrated with the scriptures, I sit down and say, God, teach me. I love this. A man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word. It proceeds from your mouth and study it out and enjoy the ride. [00:33:49] Speaker B: I love it. [00:33:50] Speaker C: Fantastic. [00:33:51] Speaker B: Yeah, I think it is. It's that idea to not live in a spirit of fear, but power, love, and a sound mind, and to walk in that hope that we. That only we have. We have the only hope in the world. And so if we can walk boldly towards that in the midst of what seems like a sinking ship, people are like, what's different? What's different about you? And so thank you for the encouragement. So, as we finish up, we have our fast five for you. There you go. Who do you most admire and why? [00:34:22] Speaker A: On the spiritual front, I admire the group of men and women in ministry sacrificing quietly, who don't seek out the glory to be first, to be on top, to be. They'll never have their name in lights. They're just plugging away in their local church, making sacrifices, trying to edify the believers and bring people to Christ and quietly in these small towns around the, around the country. Those are the people that I really admire. I've been very disappointed by a lot of people that have made it and they've tried to make it into the spotlight and when they did, they greatly failed the cause of Christ. So I'd say it's the everyday. Jack and Jill's in a local church living for Jesus. That's I. That's what I aspire to be. [00:35:14] Speaker C: It's a great answer. [00:35:16] Speaker B: Love it. [00:35:16] Speaker C: Love it. Where'd you like. [00:35:17] Speaker B: Where would you like to go on a vacation? [00:35:21] Speaker A: Back to me again. [00:35:22] Speaker B: Yes, sir. Number two, where would you like to go on a vacation? [00:35:27] Speaker A: I would like to go back to Israel, which I am December 1st through 8th with the summit. The Israeli government is paying my and 999 other Christian leaders way. So I'm going to get to meet Benjamin Netanyahu sitting in Knesset, listen to them meet their military people, go to the Holocaust Museum. There's no place like Mount Zion. So I'll be there next month. [00:35:50] Speaker B: That's pretty awesome. [00:35:51] Speaker C: That's awesome. [00:35:52] Speaker B: Pretty amazing. What do you and I know you're reading the Bible. What are you currently reading outside of that? [00:35:58] Speaker A: I'm reading Jonathan Cahn's book on the Josiah, Josiah's story. Whatever he see, sees things in scriptures. Being a, a Hebrew believer that I don't see. And I really have enjoyed the ministry of Jonathan Connor. Try to read all of his books. [00:36:19] Speaker C: Excellent. [00:36:19] Speaker B: Check that out. What's a goal you have for this year? [00:36:27] Speaker A: Be a nice guy, treat my wife. Treat my wife with the respect that she has earned and just enjoy Jesus each day. I don't much worry about marketing of my preaching and my podcast. Let's try to do a good job and walk through the doors that God gives me. Young men dream, old men reflect. So I'm looking back saying God has been faithful, keeps his word, he keeps his promises. So I wanted as an old guy, I want to throw gasoline on the sparks of young men who still dream. [00:37:02] Speaker B: Awesome. [00:37:03] Speaker C: Love it. [00:37:03] Speaker B: Love it. What is the most impactful piece of advice you've ever been given? [00:37:08] Speaker A: My Uncle Bill told me, never drink, never eat the yellow snow. [00:37:12] Speaker C: That's good. That's good. Also eat the stuffing your wife makes. [00:37:17] Speaker B: Eat your wife's stuffing. I get it. I will do that. So I will do that. I will do that. Man, I love it. I remember, you know, I tell people all the time. I remember I was in, in Bible college and, and man, you really changed the direction for Me, I called him one day and I might have said this before, and so I'll say it again, because I'm an old guy, but I was like, what's your. I called him up and I was like. I was like, pastor Duke, what's your thoughts on dichotomy versus trichotomy? You know, in that first. First year of Bible college, everyone wants to write their own commentary. They want to do everything that they can do. And he said, are you ready? And I literally had a piece of paper. And he goes, jesus loves me. This I know, for the Bible tells me so. And I was like, I literally put the paper down. He's like, bill, keep the main thing, the main thing correct. And I love that. I feel like for the. The generations that you have, you have preached that you have shepherded people, you've kept the main thing. The main thing, and that's the reason why I wanted to get you on here, is you kept the main thing, the main thing. And I'm grateful for your faithfulness. 44 years of ministry, zero scandals. Loves his wife, amazing grandchildren, his kids. Walk with the Lord. I am blessed to be a part of his fruit. And we're grateful to have you on today. [00:38:21] Speaker C: Absolutely. Duke. Thank you. [00:38:26] Speaker B: So thank you again. You can check out Duke's podcast. We will have a link for that as well in our bio or our description of this one to let you know if you're interested in more. If you want to catch up with him, man, let us know. Infoownlegacy. We'd love to connect you to him. I know that he would love to share and speak at your church or your place because this guy is a fireball for Jesus and I love that. So thank you so much for your time today, Pastor Duke Travis. It's been a good one. Any final thoughts? [00:38:54] Speaker C: No. God bless you guys. Have a great week. [00:38:56] Speaker B: Take it easy, guys. We'll see you soon. Thanks for listening to the Known Legacy podcast. We'd love to hear from you. So email us your questions or comments. [00:39:04] Speaker A: Comments to infonolegacy.com.