The Lion Within

[00:00:00] Speaker A: You're listening to the Known Legacy podcast [00:00:02] Speaker B: brought to you by Known Legacy Ministries. For more information, go to knownlegacy.org now here's your hosts, Bill and Travis. [00:00:13] Speaker A: Hey, good morning, buddy. We are so glad to have you here. Welcome to the Known Legacy Podcast. We want to help you wake up, gear up, and come alive to who God's called you to be. [00:00:20] Speaker C: Absolutely. [00:00:21] Speaker A: Please share this with your friends. Tell them all about how attractive Travis is. [00:00:26] Speaker C: Kyle. [00:00:27] Speaker A: And Kyle. And that's pretty much it on the show. We're done for that, so. But no, we're so glad to have you here, man. [00:00:34] Speaker C: We're so happy you guys are here. As always. You can check us out on Facebook, you can watch us there. You can find us on Instagram and the YouTube as well. And Bill does a great job there. Go to the known Legacy.org if you want to find out more about Bill and his speaking engagements coming up and. Or his book, audio as well as print version. And we are. We are literally T minus 24 hours to the men's retreat. [00:00:58] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:00:58] Speaker C: So when this is released, we'll already be done with the men's retreat, which is really exciting. And the masters just teed off, so that kind of lets you know where we are. [00:01:06] Speaker A: A lot of options going on. You know, I wish I was left handed because this coffee doesn't work as good on this. Like, I gotta, like, do this with the. Like, I gotta learn that. [00:01:15] Speaker C: If only you could find a different position to put your mic. [00:01:18] Speaker A: Wow. Wow. Kyle in the corner. You stay in the corner, Kyle. [00:01:22] Speaker C: We are. Are spicy today. [00:01:24] Speaker B: I like it. [00:01:24] Speaker C: I like it. Anyways, so as always, thank you guys for checking us out. We do want to get into it. I'm really excited about the conversation with our guest, Chris and what he has to share about men and men's ministry and. And the heart of a guy. And so before then, though, we are going to have the question of the day. [00:01:39] Speaker A: Question of the day. And that was bad. [00:01:42] Speaker C: That was. You've been smoking too much. [00:01:44] Speaker A: What? No, it's. I haven't. It's coffee. [00:01:47] Speaker C: Anyways. [00:01:48] Speaker A: It's. [00:01:48] Speaker C: It's beautiful. Let's try it again. Let's try it again. Do it. Do it like a jazz singer. Question of the day. [00:01:53] Speaker A: Question of the day. Yeah. [00:01:57] Speaker C: Stupid. We are so stupid. [00:02:01] Speaker A: That's the rut. [00:02:02] Speaker C: Oh, I got you. I got you. I gotcha. [00:02:05] Speaker A: Okay, so. [00:02:08] Speaker C: So today the question that we're gonna ask. No barbecue season is full swing here in Texas. I'm sure guys up north are starting to Wheel out. [00:02:15] Speaker A: Does it ever really end in here? No, it doesn't. It could be December 3rd, and I'm, like, out there smoking meat. [00:02:20] Speaker C: Best part of living in Texas. [00:02:22] Speaker A: It's amazing. [00:02:22] Speaker C: I have a buddy of mine who. Who loves the green egg and does it up in Wisconsin. God's. And. And he showed me a picture of Christmas. He was smoking something, and there was like. It was snowing, and there was already 2ft of snow all around him. And he's like, this is horrible. I was like, yes. Yes, it is. So, anyways, here's a question. Let's get to the question. Enough dilly dally. [00:02:42] Speaker A: Okay. [00:02:43] Speaker C: What is your go to Spice Company? What is your go to Spice Company? I feel like I know where you're gonna go with this one, but. Go, go, go. [00:02:55] Speaker A: Bill Kroger. [00:02:56] Speaker C: No, McCormick is not an option. [00:02:59] Speaker A: Cormac is not enough, I would say. So. There's this really good spice from Midland, and it's actually a place called Midland Meat Company. Like Midland Meco. [00:03:09] Speaker C: Really? [00:03:10] Speaker A: And that's just. Oh, it's just awesome. Which one's your favorite? It's as dark. I can't remember the name of it because I'm just like, I need that spice. And it's. Anybody from Midland would know. If you know it, put it in the comments because I need to remember the actual name. But I have two containers of it at my house. [00:03:25] Speaker C: Yes. [00:03:26] Speaker A: And I almost gave one away. And I was like, I don't think I like you enough to give you this meat. This. [00:03:32] Speaker C: I'll give you a child, but I'm not going to give you that spice. [00:03:34] Speaker A: I know. Exactly. [00:03:35] Speaker C: But tell me you're a Texan without telling me you're a Texan. [00:03:37] Speaker A: I know. It's got, like. It's all this awesome stuff. Seemed like coffee in there. [00:03:41] Speaker C: Nice. [00:03:42] Speaker A: So good. So good. So, yeah, we use it on everything. Burgers, steak, everything. And it is amazing. [00:03:47] Speaker C: Fantastic. [00:03:48] Speaker A: What about you? [00:03:48] Speaker C: I did not expect you to go. [00:03:50] Speaker A: I know. Where did you expect me to go? [00:03:52] Speaker C: Well, where I was going to land. And it's a meat church. [00:03:58] Speaker A: That's another. That's what I used. And I still have that as a backup. [00:04:01] Speaker C: Dude, they're. They're. We use them on jalapeno poppers. Where you honey hog there. We use voodoo on any number of things. [00:04:10] Speaker B: They're. [00:04:10] Speaker C: Yeah, it's fantastic. Now, brisket. I make my own. Like, I have my own mojo. I've. I've refined it. It's, you know, tea spice. [00:04:18] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:04:18] Speaker C: I love it. And. But yeah, Meat Church is fantastic. But I know so good, guys. My guy, my friend up in South Dakota, he'll. He swears by the bearded butcher and the stuff that they come out with. [00:04:31] Speaker A: Yep, yep. [00:04:32] Speaker C: And. And then my other guy in Wisconsin, uh, he loves Spiceology. He. [00:04:37] Speaker A: I mean, I've never had that one. [00:04:38] Speaker C: Spiceology, you can get a lot of it on, on Amazon, but, like, they do like, a turkey brine kit, Spiceology and just a bunch of marinade. Oh, he loves them. I have not gotten into it because I. I have my home, and it's called Meat Church. [00:04:52] Speaker A: I know. [00:04:52] Speaker C: Kyle, how about you? [00:04:54] Speaker B: Generally, I'll do my own, unless it's ribs. Oh, and then I use company called Salt Lick. [00:05:02] Speaker A: Yes, yes. That one's good. Yeah. [00:05:04] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:05:04] Speaker C: So that's what I use. [00:05:05] Speaker A: Pretty good. Pretty good. [00:05:06] Speaker C: Fantastic. If you don't know Salt Lick, go down to Austin. Go to Salt Lick and just be amazed. [00:05:10] Speaker A: Just. Just do that. Yeah, yeah. Just so good. [00:05:13] Speaker C: Open pit fire right when you walk in. And. [00:05:15] Speaker A: Yeah, I didn't have any breakfast this morning, and I'm, like, super hungry right now. I'm picturing some brisket over some, like, eggs. [00:05:22] Speaker C: So. Yeah. And I think. I think people up north don't understand, like, what, What Brisk. Well, I think they're starting to, because there's been a big push on it. But a buddy of mine from Michigan came down and we went to Rudy's. And Rudy's just so you don't, you know, if you don't know. Rudy's is a barbecue chain restaurant, right? It's a gas station chain. It's pretty good. It's decent. It's not. [00:05:41] Speaker A: It's not the best. It's not terrible. It's not terrible. [00:05:43] Speaker C: It's not terrible, but it needs barbecue sauce. [00:05:45] Speaker A: We're obviously not sponsored by Rudy's today. [00:05:47] Speaker C: Way overpriced. Okay, totally agree, Totally agree. But what he was floored by is the pit is kind of open, right? And so you have kids running around this restaurant, and, you know, you're sitting at park bench, there's no plates. You just have butcher paper for your plates, which he's just shocked by. And then he has kids running by the pit with there's open flames and open charcoal and everything. Everything else. And he just like, everything. He's like, how is this pass inspection? How does this. I'm like, dude, it's barbecue. [00:06:10] Speaker A: And then you think almost everybody in here is carrying a gun too. Like this. It's a mad wild west right here. [00:06:16] Speaker C: He was absolutely floored by It. So anyways, that's enough. [00:06:19] Speaker A: Yes. [00:06:20] Speaker C: If you have a favorite spice company, man, put it in, drop it in the comments or if you want to info nonlinessy.org we'd be more than happy to try it out for you. [00:06:28] Speaker A: You need to. Yeah, you can mail it to us, let us know. We're more than happy to eat your. Eat the spice rub. Yes. So. But speaking of that, we have a guest on today, Chris from. Chris, are you there? The line with end. So glad to have you on today, my friend. Man. So do you have a favorite spice rub that you like for meat or anything like that, chicken or that? [00:06:50] Speaker B: Yeah, it's called Rebecca's. It's hard to find because it can only be found in my house. So, yeah, she's. [00:06:57] Speaker A: She. [00:06:57] Speaker B: She does all that stuff. We're homesteaders and things like that and all that. That type of know. Pulling things together. [00:07:03] Speaker C: So I just go to her for the win. For the win. I don't even know why we spent the last five minutes of the conversation. [00:07:09] Speaker A: Correct. [00:07:10] Speaker C: Yeah, for the win. If she wants to send some to [00:07:12] Speaker A: us, we'd be more than happy to have some. Rebecca's on there. Listen, when you marry out of your league, you marry out of league. That's one of our other phrases on this day. Just what happens, man. So. [00:07:21] Speaker C: Amen. [00:07:22] Speaker A: Well, dude, we're so excited to have you on today. We'd love you to share your story. You know, I actually kind of stumbled upon your website as we're searching. I'm like, this is really good stuff. We. Would you mind sharing a little bit about your story? Kind of how you came to know the Lord and then maybe how God inspired you to start this ministry. [00:07:39] Speaker B: Yeah, for sure. Yeah. I grew up in the South. Didn't. Didn't grow up in a home that really went to church. We believe in God, but I mean, the south, you know, you got nascar, you got football, and you got Jesus, right? So it's everywhere. So that was just kind of the thing I went to. Started going to church when I was 16 because my high school sweetheart at the time, she went to church and I was just a great way to hang out with a hot chick. So I just. That's the way I did it. It's like, okay, two hours on a Sunday, like, let's go. [00:08:06] Speaker A: Hallelujah. I'm with you on that. [00:08:08] Speaker B: So. So it was great. Then I ran it into to Christ. I mean, I got the gospel was presented to me and. And I definitely gave him my life and went walk through the waters of baptism. But then I ran into a problem that was systemic until probably just quite a few just a few years ago. And that problem was there was no one discipling me, so, you know, zero discipleship. Went to a secular college in Norfolk, Virginia. Studied study engineering. Had a really good time at college, probably better time than I should have. [00:08:43] Speaker C: Grace years, we call those grace years. [00:08:45] Speaker B: That's it. That's it, right? Yeah. So I just did my thing, got the engineering degree, got a really good job, graduated college, started making a lot of money and just pursuing the things of this world because I thought that would fully and finally satisfy me. And then got married, had two, two daughters. Things were going what I thought was great. And then all of a sudden, my wife at the time said, found another guy. And I found myself with. She left all of us. She left me and our two daughters. [00:09:17] Speaker C: Oh. [00:09:17] Speaker B: So I had a three. I had a three and a five year old staring at me and saying, all right, dad, what are we gonna do now? And I said, oh, they just got to figure this out. So I recognized quickly that I don't have this. And so I started leaning back very hard into my faith, getting back into the church and really, you know, focusing on who God has called me to be. That's about a year and a half later is when I met Rebecca that you have already heard about with the famous spices. And so, you know, she's met her. We. We dated for a year and then, you know, really she was just a grounded woman in the faith. We've gone through some things, but then God just let. Let led me on this path, this journey of discipling men. [00:09:57] Speaker A: Okay. [00:09:58] Speaker B: Now that you've gone through it and you got all these. These hurdles, I mean, my wife left me and Rebecca, actually, we've gone through the process of. We've lost a daughter, like, so there's no pain, like kid pain. And so we. So God's done these things, right? And that's not for. For not. It's not to be wasted. So he's like, look, I remember specifically, I was like, I went to Becca. I was like, I think God wants me to start this podcast and to put a message out there for Christian man around leadership. She starts laughing and I'm like, what you laughing at, girl? And she was like. And at the time, we had a daughter. And then when I had my two daughters, we had had a house of three girls and my wife, and she's like, you're surrounded by estrogen. Obviously, God's calling You to some guys. So that was it. I mean, we launched a podcast, and it just kind of took off really quickly, and from there, it was just small steps of obedience. We've got an online community and just started connecting with guys across the world. And then, like, two years ago, the Bible app opened up, and I got connected with those folks, and. And it's just been these little things, and I got connected with the guys from Duck Dynasty and. And real good buddies with them. Now it's just like. It's like, okay, God, apparently this is. You're a whole lot smarter than me, obviously, so I'm just going to take the next step and. The next step. And. And that's kind of led to this conversation today. Right. So, I mean, yeah, happy to. To dive wherever you guys want to go, but that's. That's been the. The short. The short story of the lion. [00:11:24] Speaker A: I'm loving this dude. [00:11:25] Speaker C: Absolutely. First off, drop your. The name of your podcast so guys can listen in. [00:11:30] Speaker B: Yeah. The lion within us. [00:11:32] Speaker C: Lion within us. So check it out, guys. We'll make sure it's. [00:11:34] Speaker A: Put a link in the bio. Yep. [00:11:36] Speaker C: Okay, so let's. Let's dive into it. You referenced two of deep hurt. The loss of your wife when she cheated on you, and then the loss of one of your daughters. And I think there's a lot of guys, I think about my own community that have never been able to effectively navigate beyond that hurt. And they're existing, they're kind of living life, but there's still a lot of pain, resentment, and bitterness, maybe in some of those things. And I would love for you to unpack kind of what was your journey again? Every journey is different and is unique. But I would love to know, kind of like, what was it like for you, and how did you overcome those hurts and not allow that to become bitterness, but to be used by God for discipleship and for mission, ministry, outreach. [00:12:23] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, I was always the guy who just figured stuff out on my own. And in those moments, I quickly realized that I can't figure this out. Like, there's nothing that I can do that's gonna fix the marriage. There's nothing I'm gonna do that's gonna bring my lifeless daughter back in my arms. I mean, when you're sitting there holding your dead child, there's. There's nothing just going, you know, this side of heaven that can fit that. I can figure that out. So it's like at those moments, I. I figured. I see I had two options. I could either Numb myself with the things of this world with alcohol, drugs, or other women or whatever it may be, these numbing agents that we have out there. Or I could just submit to him and say, okay, God, I don't understand this. And. And I never will. Like, I'll never understand my daughter thing until I get to meet her, you know, hang out with her in heaven again. [00:13:06] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:13:07] Speaker B: So. So, like, okay, God, I'm just gonna choose your. Your path, and I'm gonna trust you. And even though I. It makes completely no sense to me right now, I don't understand this. I mean, the covenant of marriage shouldn't have been broken. You know, there's no pain like kid pain. But I still trust you no matter what. And that's just been a better way. It hasn't been an easier way. [00:13:25] Speaker C: Right, right. [00:13:26] Speaker B: It's just. It's just been better. And that's why I try to connect with God. It's like, hey, man, like, you have an option, but. But, you know, you got to choose your heart. For me, I'm just choosing Christ, and I'm just gonna follow him, and I'm gonna take the steps of obedience. And I have found that has been. That has given me a sense of contentment that I cannot find in a bottle of Jack Daniels or any pill or a woman's arms or anything like that. Yeah. [00:13:49] Speaker C: The. You know, a part of me, when you're sharing your story, goes to Job. [00:13:53] Speaker B: Right? [00:13:54] Speaker C: And Job had some good friends, and tried as they. They did, they did not have the best of advice. When you were journeying through this, was there any advice that, like, if you could tell a guy that's with another guy that's going through some of these hearts. Heart hurts to say, whatever you do, don't do this. Like, you might think this is good and helpful, and it's not good and helpful. What advice would you give to a buddy that's a wingman for a guy going through some really hard stuff right now? [00:14:22] Speaker B: Find some brothers that are actually grounded in Christ first and foremost, because the world is not short of advice, bro. And there's. [00:14:28] Speaker A: I mean, there's. [00:14:29] Speaker B: There's. There's shrinks out there that tell you whatever you want to hear, and you actually pay them so you can be telling what you want to hear. It's crazy that the stuff that we accept to be true. So the big thing for me is, like, look, man, you're a result of the five dudes that you hang out with now. They're either gonna suck and take you straight to the gates of hell, or they're gonna pull you closer to Christ, and you got to make that call. I'm not saying you got to be a dick about it, but you do got to be selective about it. And so that's my big thing. [00:14:54] Speaker C: You're so right. Yeah. [00:14:56] Speaker A: No, I love it. I love it. You know, so you're talking about, man, finding those brothers. Where did you find them? Like, did you. Like, how did you bump into them? Were you proactive? Because a lot of guys are like, I don't know where to start to find these guys. I'm looking around my church. I don't see men that I want to be like, where do I start? So share your journey of where that happened with you. I see the smirk. I'm ready for this story, man. I'm ready for the story. [00:15:18] Speaker B: Well, you're right. Right. Because, like, in the church settings, you gotta. You got. I mean, you just got a bunch of. So you just got to be. That's just the way it is. So it is. I just had to start it, right? So I'm like, okay, I know the type of guys I want to hang out with. So I actually. I did find a couple guys in my church that were kind of lone wolves, and I just pulled together a little bit of a discipleship group, and next thing you know, we were just meeting on a regular basis. But that's. That. That took a lot of intentionality and effort on my end. Like, it wasn't there that I could just pop up to this meeting and find. Because the meetings that I would go to at the church, it would be like a sausage biscuit and some guy talking about how he used to do blow off a hooker. I'm like, I don't get this, right? This is not something that it's not connecting with me. Yeah, I want to actually talk about real life stuff, you know, so. So that I just built it and then that I think that those reps were the reps I needed to be able to start the Lion. And now I think that's why guys like the lion is because it's not BS this is some actual authentic, real talk. And we'll talk about the stuff that the church don't want to talk about it, and we'll talk about it boldly, and we'll make mistakes. And we make mistakes. We'll figure it out. We'll course correct. But, man, those relationships, I think that's why the church is hurting so much, because it's so stinking feminized. Right? Now and we gotta have some guys to stepping up and leading in these areas. [00:16:33] Speaker A: No, I, I, yes, we're on this. [00:16:37] Speaker C: I wish you had an opinion. [00:16:38] Speaker A: I know. [00:16:38] Speaker C: Yeah, I know you're so, you're so spot on not to step on your, your bill, but it's so true. Like we have over feminized and we feel like alluding to things rather than calling things out directly is the way that it's going to happen. And I feel like there's something in the heart of man that is so desperate. We're seeing in the younger generation, your son's generation, my son's generation that are just getting into college and just at the end and they're like, we don't know what to trust. So we're going to, we're going to give a shot to this 2000 year old movement called Christianity. And they're going into these churches and they're hearing really good, well polished productions and stories, but they're not getting that depth root stuff that they're really wrestling with, whether it be pornography, whether it be sleeping with your girlfriend, whether it be any of the world's temptations, and we just kind of allude to it. So I did, I commend you and I appreciate what you're doing. [00:17:29] Speaker A: So no, I love, I love the authenticity and I think, I think one of the things that comes to mind is, is maybe addressing the roadblocks that these guys are going to walk into. Like, because they were obviously, you jumped through a bunch of roadblocks to go, this is what I needed to do. And maybe you did them really quickly. I do feel like, like crisis of any kind is healthy to some degree where it caused you to go what's most important. But I feel fertile ground for change. [00:17:52] Speaker C: Yeah, fertile ground for change. [00:17:54] Speaker A: So, so you saw that. What were some roadblocks that made you go, I got to break through these so I can get these guys together. Does that make sense? Like what are some things you had to deal with as you were building this group of guys? [00:18:04] Speaker B: I mean, the first thing was just I needed them to see that this is not going to be your typical men's group. Right. And it started by me just being transparent. I mean, that's it. I mean, just being transparent. I mean, I got connected with Pastor Dobie and, and Pastor Joby's got out of Martin, out of Florida. [00:18:19] Speaker A: Yeah. Yep. Yes, I got, and he's got an amazing beard. Bro. Bro's got an amazing beard too. So let's just address that on this podcast. [00:18:28] Speaker B: It's solid. He actually wrote the forward for my book, man. So he's a. He's. He's a solid brother in the faith. So I just took a lot of his resources and. And started. And that helped kind of, you know, generate some of these conversations. But it started with just really, the guys that I were. That I. That God connected me with. They were broken just like me. And, I mean, there was a lot of hurt in that room. And it was easy that I found it easier for them to talk about their hurt if I led with mine. [00:18:55] Speaker A: Yes. [00:18:55] Speaker B: I just read it. Hey, this book says this, and the command does this. I'm. I put that to the side. I'm like, no, man. Here's. Here's a reflective part of what the way Chris has seen the world, what God has done through me and is working on me. What do you guys think about that? And that is when things started changing. That reflective piece where it's not me preaching to them, it's me being just open, honest, and transparent. And then that led to the conversations. [00:19:18] Speaker A: You know, I love that thought because I think that's one thing that we don't address, is the authenticity. These guys are ready for this. Like, they want someone to put it out there. I remember we shared this story a while ago where there was. Someone was sharing about, oh, accountability groups, you know, and that almost makes me shudder really quick. And I think about that. But this idea of they were all sitting around in the room, and, you know, one guy's like, I'm ready to share that. I'm. That I'm thinking about bending the secretary over the table. And one guy goes, why? I stole some postage stamps last week from the office. And it's like it sucked the life out of the room. It's like. I'm not saying it's all got to be this lustful thing, but it's like, be real. Like, that is not your worst issue, my friend. You know? [00:19:57] Speaker C: Right. You know, well, and I go back to Paul, and Paul's a perfect example where he did not hide from his past. He threw it out there. He goes, you guys know. You guys know what a dirtback I was. You guys know that I'm the one that was killing Christians. You guys know the thorns of my threat, my flesh. Right? You guys know this stuff. So he didn't hide from it. And it's like. It's like grace onto display. Either you're saved by grace and the crap in your past has been forgiven by Christ, and so you can talk about it. In the redemptive blood of Christ. Or you play the game that Adam and Eve played and you hide and you try to pretend like everything's great, like nothing's wrong, even though your life is complete shambles. And that's not the way that we [00:20:33] Speaker A: need to do it. No. [00:20:34] Speaker C: So either grace is real or it's not. [00:20:35] Speaker A: Yeah. And we have to be honest. You know, we do our Thursday morning adrenaline shot, which, hey, if you're on here, we'd love to have you be a part of that. We'll put a link, you know, a link below. But we just went through 2nd Samuel 11. Like, I would say, if I was David, the one chapter that I wouldn't want in there, David and Bathsheba. And the fact that, you know, he, for all intents and purposes, raped Bathsheba because she's not gonna fight the king. [00:20:58] Speaker C: Correct. [00:20:59] Speaker A: And then murdered her husband. [00:21:00] Speaker C: Yep. [00:21:00] Speaker A: And then God still found a place for redemption there. Right. But I think it's this idea that we think I've gone too far. How can I? It's like, no, God has something great for us, but we just need to be willing to actually, with our mouth, confess our sin, one to another. To have a brother in the battle, just like you're talking about, that's like, hey, man, I messed up again. You're like, great. That's not who you are. Let's move on. And there's so many men that feel alone. They feel like they'll never be forgiven for their sin, that they are too broken. That is a lie. So I love what you're talking about, man. I love this. So. So what does your book talk about? You. You mentioned your book. What's the title of your book? [00:21:35] Speaker B: Unleashing the Lie Within. So, I mean, the book, it really is. It started as a Bible study I did several years ago. And when I first started lying, it's just different pillars. Everybody's got them. I mean, his health, well, self and all the stuff. Right. Just being the steps to be a man. And, I mean, Jody had a part to play in that, too. Because I'm like, I don't know if I'll write this book. I sent him a note. I'm like, feel like God's telling me to write the book, but I'm. You know, I don't know if anybody's gonna want to read it ever. He sent me a note back. He said, you're going to write it. You're going to finish it. I'm gonna. I'm gonna write the forward when you do so get it done. [00:22:05] Speaker C: Nice. [00:22:05] Speaker B: Basically, I don't want to hear from you again until you get it done. So that was the push we needed. But, yes, I mean, it's just. It's just basic stuff. It's blocking and tackling. I'm not John Piper. I'm a whole. I told somebody the other day, I'm [00:22:16] Speaker C: like, look, y' all just dumb fishing. [00:22:18] Speaker B: So this is John Piper on us on an axis. And then on the other side of access is Jed clamping from the Beverly Hillbillies. I'm a whole lot closer to Jed, man. A whole lot closer. [00:22:28] Speaker A: Welcome to the club, man. Welcome to the club. [00:22:32] Speaker C: So let me ask this question then. You made a brilliant leadership kind of nugget that I want to circle back to. And it's the idea that guys are not going to go where the leader's not willing to go first. And so give me two or three, like, guys sitting there going, man, I've been surrounded by beta males. I've played the game. I wear my khakis, I wear my sweater vest on Sunday morning, and then I'm on the golf course on Saturday ripping it up with the guys, pretending, living a day, completely different life. Right? What are you looking for? Like, if a guy's in that is, like, I need to find a guy that's going to challenge me. I need to find a guy that's going to lead me and disciple me. What are some of the characteristics in that leader that you would say this is. This is what you're looking for. And when you find it, invest in it, sacrifice for it to build the relationship, to be able to grow in your relationship with Christ. [00:23:21] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. It's evidence of the fruit, man. I mean, for me, it's evidence of the fruit. So love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, general self control. And I'm looking for that. And. And that's how that dude shows up on Sunday. Because we all can show up good on Sunday for an hour and be blessed and highly favored and be lying our freaking teeth off like, no. Yeah, you're on Sunday morning. Show me. I want to see how that guy treats his wife. I want to see how his kids behave. Like, do they behave? Do they even know the word behave? Right? I want to see how he manages his finances. Is he always driving a brand new vehicle every time you turn around? Or is this. Is this guy actually stewarding, you know, things well and leading his family well? I mean, I. I want to see those things. I want to see it in his work. If I have an opportunity to see him at the work environment. [00:24:04] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:24:04] Speaker B: And. And I run into him in town. Is this language different in. In a social setting versus a. A face setting Right at church? I don't want to. I want to make sure there's. There's not these two different dichotomies at play here. Because at the end of the day, man, like every day, we're ambassadors for Christ all the time. We're investors right now, period. [00:24:24] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:24:24] Speaker B: So I'm looking for that, man. Am I seeing evidence of the fruit outside the traditional places that you would expect to see it? That. That's what I'm looking for, man. [00:24:32] Speaker A: I love this. I love this. So now you. You mentioned you have a group, an online group of guys. What's that all about? Like, what do you do beyond the podcast? [00:24:41] Speaker B: Yeah. So beyond the podcast, man. The message was going out really well. Podcast, you know, downloads. They were going up and it's like, all right, I want to be able to talk with guys, though. So we made this online community thing. It's an app and it's on their phones. But the cool part about it is we got. Have an ability to do teaching every day. So it's a live stream and things like that for guys to get some. To get fed by the Word every day. But it connects them. So we have events every day of the week pretty much, except Saturday and Sunday, actually, just except Sunday, because we have the Saturday Bible study. So we have something. It's their Google Meets, their virtual hook meetups where guys can come together. We're talking about, you know, Bible studies. We got. Have a thing called Friday Forge where I'll just throw something out like, hey, if you commit suicide, do you go to heaven? And I'll just like, get it, you know, just bat it. Right. It's just a complicated topic that most churches would never touch it. We're just gonna. We're just gonna go there. And it just gives these guys these opportunities to ask these questions. But there's also a forum, there's a chat. So we have a prayer request space as well. And that thing gets used 24 7. And now we got guys. Because the multiplication, what God's doing, literally all over the world that are on this thing. Like, I was on a call with a guy from Australia then yesterday. I mean, it's just these different European countries are connecting with it. It's like, all right, God again, 2 degree degrees from Jed Kampli here. So this is obviously you. And it's just been Crazy. So that's how we do it. We connect these guys that way. We have an annual men's retreat. You guys, I think you guys mentioned you got one like this weekend. Ours is at the end of April. It's in North Carolina. So we do that every year as well. And it's just starting to lead into these new opportunities to serve. But the community is just a great way to actually bring the guys together in a forum in such a way for them to connect. And so many of them are finding us through the Bible app. And that's just been phenomenal. It's just, man, it's just been. It's been a crazy ride for the last couple years. And really for the last six months, to be honest, it's been. God just been doing something pretty cool. [00:26:39] Speaker C: That's awesome. That's awesome. [00:26:41] Speaker A: I love it. I love it, man. Well, man, as we. As we're wrapping up, man, is there anything else you'd want these guys to know about your ministry or man their role, anything like that? [00:26:51] Speaker B: I mean, the biggest thing for. For us is just like, remember you are the leader that God intends you to be. Like, you may not look in the mirror, you may not see a leader, but you are. And then so far as connecting with our stuff, like, I'm pointing more important people now to the Bible app because it's like the number one platform in the world for. For God's word and just like search for the lion. We have. I'm putting two plans out per month on the Bible app because they have. So they. They reached out. They're like, hey, bro, we don't have hardly any content for guys. What can you do? I'm like, how about two a month? And they're like, perfect. You know, so now. So. So they're spotlighting our plans, which is helping a lot. And I've been. Been able to. Been blessed to do some things there. So, you know, connect on the Bible app. We're actually talking right now with Right Now Media. So I think this year will be on Right Now Media's platform as well. Yeah, some of our content and it's all just for guys. And I told you right now media chick too. I'm like, look, I don't do. We're not for girls. Like, I just wanted you to be honest. She's like, look, we need more men content. Yeah, hungry. You're hungry right now. So we're just leaning into that. So I mean, if you just any of those resources, hopefully be a help. [00:27:57] Speaker A: That's awesome. That's awesome. I love it. Well, we'll put those links in, in the bottom, especially to your. To your website. And, man, this has been great. [00:28:05] Speaker C: I wouldn't even touch the homesteading. [00:28:07] Speaker B: I want to. [00:28:07] Speaker A: I know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We're doing that again. We're going to have to have you on again, my friend. This is good. [00:28:12] Speaker C: Yeah. But I think the big thing, first off, if you're not listening, if you're not a little bit fired up after listening to this, check yourself, because you just hear it from Chris and I think it's Bill and I's heart as well. Like, this passivity that the culture has pressed into the heart of men is not from God. And he's not called us to be passive. He's called us to be active. [00:28:32] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:28:32] Speaker C: He's called us to be proclaimers. He's called us to be rescue agents. He's called us to be men on mission. And so the life that you're living, if you're not satisfied with it, let me tell you, dive into God. Dive into his word. Find a brotherhood that can be authentic and real and get into the hard stuff of life and just see what God has in store for you, the adventure that lies ahead. Like you said, man, this wasn't his plan. He didn't put it together on a spreadsheet and say, here in five years is where I'm going to be. He's just, from what I'm hearing, just a faithful dude. Like, I believe God's calling me to do this. I'm going to write a book. I don't want to finish it. My buddy's going to kick me in the teeth. Guess what? We need buddies that are going to kick us in the teeth sometimes. So, yeah, get fired up, man. The world needs what God is bringing to it through you. [00:29:16] Speaker A: Yeah, I love it. I love it, man. Which then leads us into our fast five. There you go. There it is for you. Yeah, it always brings a smile to everybody's face in this place. A little NASCAR action there. That's it. That's it. So if you could tell people to go support a cause or a ministry, what would it be and why? [00:29:36] Speaker B: Oh, I mean, a cause or ministry. I love seeing guys hop on to the lion, selfishly, because for Christian men. So, I mean, I'm there. [00:29:45] Speaker C: I love it. [00:29:45] Speaker A: I love it. Awesome. Again, we'll put that link down there. We'd love to share that more with the guys. And so if you could describe legacy with one word or phrase, what would it Be multiplication. [00:29:57] Speaker B: That's what it's all about. Multiplication. I mean, this is what I'm trying to do. I mean, I'm just one guy. I'm literally. I got a shirt that says, I'm just a guy. That's. [00:30:04] Speaker A: That's what it says. [00:30:05] Speaker B: But God uses guys in crazy ways. When we lean into what he's called us to do. [00:30:11] Speaker A: Absolutely. I love it. I love it, man. If you had to change careers, what would you change it to? [00:30:18] Speaker B: Oh, man, like, baseball player would be awesome. It pays pretty good too. [00:30:26] Speaker A: Not wrong. [00:30:26] Speaker C: Not wrong. [00:30:27] Speaker A: Yeah, but not those minor leagues. Just. Let's just go right to. Yeah, let's go to the majors. So awesome. Oh, yeah, you could. Yeah. [00:30:37] Speaker C: What? [00:30:38] Speaker A: Okay, number four, what is your go to fruit if you had to pick one? [00:30:42] Speaker C: There is judgment on this one, by the way. [00:30:44] Speaker B: There's judgment. I have to be careful. I'm just gonna say apple, bro. An apple? [00:30:47] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:30:48] Speaker B: There you go. [00:30:48] Speaker A: Okay, hang on. [00:30:49] Speaker C: Not all apples are the same. What is your go to apple? This is an important answer. [00:30:54] Speaker B: There's gotta be a crisp one. I don't like any soft apples. [00:30:57] Speaker C: Honey crisp, baby. That's what I'm talking about. [00:30:59] Speaker A: Those honey crisp are the bomb. [00:31:01] Speaker C: Yes. [00:31:01] Speaker A: Yeah, we do. Yeah, we are. We're. We're an anti red delicious group over here, just so you know. Thank you. [00:31:07] Speaker C: Thank you. [00:31:08] Speaker A: None of that garbage. [00:31:09] Speaker C: No. [00:31:10] Speaker A: All right, number five, what do you want to be remembered for by those closest to you? [00:31:17] Speaker B: Acts 11:24. He's a good man, full of holy spirit and brought many people to the Lord. I mean, I think that's a pursue. [00:31:23] Speaker A: I'm gonna say yes on that one. It's very noble. [00:31:27] Speaker C: Mic drop action right there. [00:31:29] Speaker A: I love it. Chris, this has been an honor to have you on, man. We're so excited to see what God's doing in and through your. Your ministry there, guys. We'll put links below if you need daily encouragement. Connect with the lion within us. And, Chris, any final thoughts before we. Before we close it out today? [00:31:45] Speaker B: And you guys rock it, man. You're doing a great job. Just thank you for this opportunity. [00:31:49] Speaker A: Absolutely. [00:31:50] Speaker C: Praise God, guys. [00:31:51] Speaker A: Thank you so much for listening today. Being a part watching today, man. We believe that God does have great things for you. That's why we do this. We want to see men wake up, gear up, and come alive to who God called them to. You have what it takes because of Jesus, man. God wants to do great things through you. So excited to see what God has in store for the rest of you. Travis, final thoughts. [00:32:10] Speaker C: God bless you guys. Have a good week. [00:32:12] Speaker A: Take it easy. [00:32:14] Speaker C: Thanks for listening to the Known Legacy podcast. [00:32:16] Speaker A: We'd love to hear from you. So email us your questions or comments to Info Nolegacy.