[00:00:01] Speaker A: You're listening to the Known Legacy Podcast brought to you by Known Legacy Ministries. For more information, go to knownlegacy.org now here's your hosts, Bill and Travis.
[00:00:16] Speaker B: Oh, man. Oh, a snort. I'm so sorry.
[00:00:19] Speaker C: Good morning, everybody. I hope you're doing well today. Welcome to the Known Legacy Podcast where we want you to wake up, gear up and come alive who God called you to become. And we are so excited for today.
[00:00:29] Speaker B: We're so happy that you guys are here. It's gonna be am conversation about brokenness and how God is a redeeming God. And the guest that we have is an author of a book that I think is going to be very relevant and very helpful to many of us. So stick around for that. And as always, you can check us out on YouTube, you can find us on Facebook, Instagram, if you're so inclined to that platform.
KnownLegacy.org is the website you can find information about Bill, his speaking coming up as well as his books and other things about his Bible study that does adrenaline shot on Tuesday mornings.
[00:01:01] Speaker C: Thursday, Thursday morning. You join us Thursday mornings at 6:45. The link will be below. It's a great time for guys to connect. Just a phone call. Am the Deep.
[00:01:11] Speaker B: Thank you.
[00:01:12] Speaker C: Thank you, Kyle from the Deeps.
[00:01:14] Speaker B: I got on at PM and I was there for three hours. No one showed up.
[00:01:17] Speaker C: No one's here. 6:45am we would love to have you on there, guys. We know that most men are alone and we want to create a space for guys to connect. You don't have to say anything if you don't want to. But man, we have a great time to connect through God's word, walk through it correct, and help us become who God's designed us to become. So the links below for that.
[00:01:34] Speaker B: I love it.
[00:01:34] Speaker C: I love it.
[00:01:35] Speaker B: And so we're excited about the question of the day.
[00:01:40] Speaker C: Question of the day.
[00:01:41] Speaker B: So if you don't know, if you haven't been listening, the last few weeks we've been asking for listeners to submit their question of the day to give us like to broaden the horizons, you might say, to deepen the pool. Because sometimes our questions are fairly insignificant and somewhat playful. And today we got a submission from a Matthew Manthey. Shout out to Matthew Manthy. Well done. I think I know who this is and I'm really proud of you for listening, brother. Thank you very much.
[00:02:07] Speaker C: Grateful to have you. And with this deep theological question, Deep
[00:02:10] Speaker B: theological question of the day for Matthew
[00:02:12] Speaker C: Manthey, the question day is if aliens landed Tomorrow and asked you to represent Earth. What's the first thing you'd show them?
[00:02:21] Speaker B: McDonald's.
[00:02:23] Speaker C: That's your. That's your.
[00:02:24] Speaker B: That's my answer. I'd show them McDonald's because unfortunately it represents all of our passion, our desire for conquer, for money, for greed, for cutting corners for all of it.
[00:02:36] Speaker C: Would you show them the video of the lava trying to eat through the Big Mac that it doesn't touch?
[00:02:41] Speaker B: Wait, what. What I. What is.
[00:02:43] Speaker C: You've never seen this?
[00:02:44] Speaker B: No.
[00:02:45] Speaker C: Kyle, have you seen this video? There is a video out there and I don't.
[00:02:48] Speaker B: I mean, is it AI?
[00:02:50] Speaker C: It could be AI, but let's. We're gonna test this out.
But they literally.
[00:02:55] Speaker D: Where are we gonna get the lava?
[00:02:56] Speaker C: I don't know, man. We should get the lava.
Send us some lava
[email protected] we'd like to find out where you can pick up some lava. But they literally poured like this hot molten. Like magma. Like magma magma on it. And it just charred the. Just the burger. We were off the rails already. It doesn't take long for us. We should have a timer. Like. Like an off the rails timer? Yes, yes, on there.
[00:03:21] Speaker B: Okay, so what does it do to the burger?
[00:03:23] Speaker C: It does nothing to the burger. It just burns the bun and that's it.
[00:03:27] Speaker B: So what I hear you saying is the next spaceship that Elon Musk makes, we should just coat it with Big Macs. Big Mac burger it will not melt on.
[00:03:36] Speaker C: We can look at. That's a good idea actually. Elon, check it out. I know you're listening.
[00:03:40] Speaker B: Partnership. An American partnership waiting to be made. Tesla and McDonald's. McTestla.
So Bill, how about you?
[00:03:49] Speaker C: What would you do? If there's one thing that I would show them? I believe I would.
I need a little. I need a minute left. Do you know what you would do, Kyle?
[00:03:59] Speaker D: I think that I would try to show a bit of humanity. So I'd probably take them to a backyard barbecue and just hang out.
[00:04:07] Speaker C: That's really cool.
[00:04:07] Speaker D: And it's all I could think of.
[00:04:10] Speaker C: So I would probably.
If I could show them the first thing I'd show them.
I.
Yeah, I guess I would show them like. Like a mall or like a. Like one of. Just like a place where they would go shopping.
Like the decadence and all that kind of stuff. I don't know. I mean I think that's probably new clothes.
[00:04:28] Speaker D: After that trip.
[00:04:29] Speaker C: After that trip, definitely. That would probably be my thing. Or like you said. See. No, actually I would show them in n out Burger. Oh, in n out burger or Chick fil A? One of those two.
[00:04:40] Speaker B: So good. I get to have a bad burger. In and out.
[00:04:42] Speaker C: Because I think that either In n out or Chick fil a would show at least some form of efficiency, and
[00:04:48] Speaker B: it alludes to our Christian faith.
[00:04:50] Speaker C: There. That's pretty good. I know. I know.
[00:04:52] Speaker B: Someone's driving around right now going, show
[00:04:54] Speaker E: them the Jesus movie.
[00:04:55] Speaker B: You need to show them the Jesus movie.
[00:04:57] Speaker C: That's probably.
[00:04:58] Speaker B: It's probably the right answer.
[00:04:59] Speaker C: That's probably the right answer.
[00:05:00] Speaker B: It's the right answer.
[00:05:01] Speaker C: We went to food.
Well, we failed. The bar's pretty low. But let's ask our guest, Dr. John Trent. We're so glad to have you on today, John. Thank you so much.
[00:05:15] Speaker E: Thank you.
[00:05:16] Speaker C: Author of your journey from broken to blessed. We are so excited to have you on today, John. We'd love to ask this question to you. If aliens landed tomorrow and asked you to represent Earth, what's the first thing that you'd show them?
[00:05:28] Speaker B: Welcome to the Known Legacy Podcast, John. Go.
[00:05:31] Speaker E: Well, thanks. I mean, well, your answers were great. And, God, you're right. Does Kyle not have a great voice? I mean, he does.
You guys have the face. Radio. He has the voice for radio.
[00:05:43] Speaker C: You know, that's exactly it. You know us too well.
[00:05:46] Speaker E: Yeah. But anyway. Yeah. If an alien came down, it made me think my.
My awesome great uncle. Okay. You know, closest I ever had to a dad, but he was the head librarian at lsu, and when it went to all the football games and some people flew in from. From another. Another country.
And have you ever seen a. You know, like, Indiana or some of these places, Columbus, Ohio, where there's a million people going into. Yeah, they're all dressed in whatever, red or whatever, and.
And. But they thought a revolution was going on, you know, So I think I would take them to a football game because it's just controlled chaos, you know, and the passion.
[00:06:30] Speaker B: The passion for college football is unparalleled.
[00:06:34] Speaker E: Yeah. Which of course, leads me to.
[00:06:37] Speaker B: Oh.
[00:06:37] Speaker E: Oh.
[00:06:38] Speaker B: Go Horn Frogs.
[00:06:42] Speaker E: Mighty TCU frog game.
[00:06:44] Speaker C: You have caught Kyle's heart.
[00:06:45] Speaker D: Yeah, I'm. I'm the one.
[00:06:47] Speaker E: Oh, you're kidding. Oh, me too. That's great.
[00:06:50] Speaker C: See, the smart ones, I guess, are all.
Yeah, we spent the Bible.
[00:06:55] Speaker E: Good thing I didn't throw him under the bus then.
[00:06:57] Speaker B: I. I see TCU sticks together.
[00:07:00] Speaker C: I love it. I love it. I love it. Well, John, thank you so much for being on today. We would love to hear kind of how you got started and share a little bit about your Ministry and, And what you do. Share that with our. With our listeners, please.
[00:07:12] Speaker E: Yeah, well, yeah, gosh, you know, I'm kind of like you guys, you know, you're. You're looking at, like, today I go and meet some of my old high school friends. There's a bunch of degenerates that. That once a year get together. And of course, you know, I'm getting old, so it shrinks a little bit every year. Yeah, yeah. But.
But these guys, you know, were just. Just for whatever reason that it was just kind of organic and popped up.
But I was one of those guys where you think, okay, this is not what they would probably think I would have been doing, you know, in high school. So I grew up single parent home out here in Arizona. My mom and dad divorced when I was two months old. I never met my dad when I was in college when I did, you know, he was an angry alcoholic, and I used to hate my dad. And then. Then it became a Christian, and I just intensely disliked him. Do you know what I mean?
[00:08:08] Speaker C: Yes, yes, yes, we get it.
[00:08:10] Speaker E: And then I began to realize I'm becoming just like him. I don't even know him, you know?
And so it was really this guy, an old. Have you ever heard of Young life works with high school kids?
[00:08:21] Speaker C: Oh, yeah, absolutely.
[00:08:22] Speaker E: I was the classic young life kid. You know, where they show up at the football practice and you start going to club and you hear the gospel. And then I got tricked into going to a Billy Graham mov movie, and I got to meet Dr. Did you ever meet Billy Graham?
[00:08:38] Speaker C: I've not.
[00:08:39] Speaker E: I got to meet Billy Graham twice. And, you know, he was so humble. He'd stick out his hand and go, hi, I'm Billy Graham. Like, oh, really? I didn't know you were Billy.
[00:08:49] Speaker C: Oh, that's who you are.
[00:08:51] Speaker E: Great guy, you know, but it was the worst movie I've ever seen. It was this lady that. One of those early Christian movies that, you know, shouldn't have been, but this lady dies, and I thought she deserved it. I was a high school kid and.
[00:09:04] Speaker B: And I love this podcast so far.
[00:09:07] Speaker E: Yeah. Do you know what they do at the end of a Billy Graham movie or did you know, is they'd have a guy who. Somebody get up there. And all I remember is he goes, do you want to change the pictures of your life story?
Oh, and five out of the six of us on the Arcadia football team walked down that night and gave our lives to Christ, including my twin brother. And. And.
And so that's really where it began for me was all that anger, all that hurt.
You know what's amazing is, is guys, I'm so old, okay, that when, when I in grade school think about this, I was, we were. My older brother and my twin brother and I were the only kids in our grade school from a single parent family.
Not a class, not class. My wife, it was a teacher her last class. 18 out of the 21 kids in her class were from single parent or blended families.
What I'm getting at is brokenness is ubiquitous. It's everywhere today.
And yet boy, it is when you come to know Christ, you know, it is in Christ that things can begin to change. So that's kind of my backstory is I thank the Lord for some, you know, ex Chico State offensive tackle that, that stepped into a bunch of kids lives and led us all to Christ.
[00:10:34] Speaker B: That is fantastic. I would love to pursue a little bit of those formative years, those junior high, high school years and, and what was it like? You talked about the anger and things of that nature, but I would love to know like, like what were things that maybe because I think a lot of our guys are living with that brokenness and they've never done anything with it. They just kind of have pushed it down or ignored it until it bubbles up in really destructive and unproductive ways or self medicated ways. What was that like for you in those junior high and high school years? And then as you go through this journey, there's still a lot of healing that needs to happen. How does God begin to heal your heart to the point where you can now write a book from broken to blessed?
[00:11:15] Speaker E: Yeah, well, I mean I was like, you know, so many people that it's like anger really helps, you know, like, you know what it's like as an old athlete, you know, the older you get, the better you were, you know, saying, you know, yes, 100 fish the
[00:11:31] Speaker C: fish the six inch to nine it to nine. Yeah.
[00:11:34] Speaker E: And so, you know, I mean I was small but I was slow, you know, and, and so, so, but actually, you know, it really does help you.
Anger can in competitive. I played football and then I wrestled in high school and college and, and you know, it's just combat, you know what I mean? It's like you take all that anger and you try to reflect it onto people, it ruins relationships. And I think that's really where I was with all the brokenness. Now I have a really smart twin brother and I got him kicked out of grade school in fifth grade. We, we stole the chocolate Milk machine.
Oh, not that. Not the milk. It was a small Christian school. My mom had kind of given up and put us in this Proko school, and we got. We rolled it off campus and drank all the chocolate.
[00:12:23] Speaker B: Winging for the fences. I love it.
[00:12:25] Speaker E: I know. Yeah. Could try to fence it. Nobody wants a milk machine. So anyway. But Jeff. So my twin brother had already figured out that's not the way to go, you know, but it took a lot. It took a lot for me. So I do think this whole journey from broken to blessed.
I wrote this book with our oldest daughter, Carrie. Now, Carrie's story is really different. So mine was.
There wasn't somebody there to bless me. And it was that deep desire to get the blessing. And when it's not there, the anger, then frustration that comes with it. Well, God, all that. Our oldest daughter, she would say that, that she certainly. But then she goes to college, meets this guy, ends up in this abusive relationship. And I'm telling you, if there's anything that can erase the blessing, it's abuse. And so, so she. I write, I. This book is kind of. My story is, well, what if you didn't get it? You know, hers is, well, what if you got it? And then life throws you, you know, some real try challenges and trials. And that's where a lot of us are. I mean, we're broken. And so what do you do with that? And that's, again, that's. That's what we're. That's. That takes us right to where, you know, we are with broken to blessed. Yeah.
[00:13:43] Speaker B: Wow.
[00:13:43] Speaker C: So how did you walk through that yourself? Because I know that, I mean, as you're raising your kids and then seeing that happen, what kind of impact did that have? Because I know there's a lot of men that we. That we journey with who have dealt with that and they feel almost helpless.
[00:13:58] Speaker E: Oh, yeah.
[00:13:59] Speaker C: Can you speak into a little bit about that?
[00:14:01] Speaker E: Oh, yeah. I mean, you know, so picture for five years, we lost her.
He would move her around. We didn't know where she was living. And once the abuse thing, we figured that out, you know, we didn't know if she was alive or dead. It was such a. Such a.
It was hell. There's just no three ways about it, you know, just a really tough deal.
But the interesting thing, you know, again, was God was at work in her life. She was in work. He wasn't working in our life.
And he. God, just miraculously rescued her out of this thing. A neighbor that had heard all the abuse and, and just you know, knocked on the door and said, you know. And Carrie had just prayed, you know, for the first time in years. You know, she had said, you know, God, you got to get me out of this. Ten minutes later, there's a knock at the door. And this guy said, I can't. I can't take it was the next door neighbor or, you know, in a park.
And so he goes, I got a place for you to stay. And that's what started her journey. Now, that was a. But, you know, it's. It's like kind of like Travis. I think it was Travis that said it, but it might have been Bill. But the point is, it's a process, isn't it?
[00:15:10] Speaker C: Yeah. Yeah.
[00:15:11] Speaker E: So for me. But here's where it starts. Okay, Real quick, you guys. So remember that Billy Graham movie I told you about? Walk down and give my life to Christ. And Doug Barum hands me a Bible and he goes, now he had one for each one of us, you know, that he. And he hands me. And he had a verse underlined for each of us. And guess what my verse was? He goes, I want you to go home and read this a hundred times.
And it was Hebrews 13, 5. And it was underlined. And he had a little note thing in there where I could find it because that was my first Bible. And I.
[00:15:45] Speaker C: Right.
[00:15:46] Speaker E: I go home when I get out a piece of paper, because I'm thinking, he's serious. He's being metaphorical, like, go home and read it a lot. I'm thinking, he's serious. So I go home and I go for He Himself who said, I will never leave you nor forsake you. And I did a one, you know, for he himself has said, which is Jesus has said, I will never leave you. Number two. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. You know the tally thing.
[00:16:10] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:16:11] Speaker E: I get to 60 and I am weeping.
[00:16:14] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:16:14] Speaker E: Because all of a sudden it just broke through. Now today, do you know what that's called? It's called an attachment moment. You know, I had so much broken attachment. And it is all of a sudden, man, when you realize, I. Okay, I'm not going to get it from my dad. I never did. The day he died, I held his hand for four hours as he died of congestive and heart. Heart and lung failure and had him cuss at me for praying for him. So there's a lot of. There's a lot of us that are never going to get it. Okay?
And yet, have you ever read Ephesians, chapter one? I know you have. And Ephesians chapter two. I mean, you could take your whole, you know, known legacy.
Think about all the legacy statements in Ephesians 1 and 2. Hey, you have every spiritual blessing. Oh, you need an inheritance. You got it. You want to be loved, you got it.
[00:17:07] Speaker B: You know, and it's a gift. It's a gift from the Father. It's not nothing you can earn.
[00:17:12] Speaker E: Oh, it's all again then. Well, that's what changed my life, and that's really what changed Carrie's life, too. And in this book, broken to blessed, we go through our journey, but then for each of us, different ways. Okay, but we came to the.
The starting point is really. Oh, my gosh, there really is somebody that's crazy about you.
[00:17:32] Speaker B: Yes, yes. So. So two questions from two different perspectives. One is this idea, like, let's say there's a guy that realizes there are some. Some hurts and brokenness that he's never dealt with. And he's driving around, he's listening to this podcast, and he's realizing, man, it is affecting my relationships. It's affecting my vocation. It's affecting my own value. How do I begin that? That first step? I know, Jesus, but I still have to deal with that brokenness. The second question is, let's say there's someone who's listening and realizes what I'm in a broken relationship. Like, I'm. I'm experiencing right now. Not a. Not a legacy brokenness, but an actual tangible. Right now, there's a brokenness that's happening to me. What would you say to that person as well? So those two questions.
[00:18:20] Speaker E: Yeah, yeah, well, let me jump it. You know, the. The first one, just the whole idea of, what if I'm understanding you? You know, the first one was, okay, you know, what if you.
Or, you know, grew up and there's this. There's this brokenness. Where do you begin? Is that kind of the first one?
[00:18:41] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah.
[00:18:42] Speaker B: Legacy brokenness.
[00:18:43] Speaker E: Yeah. So there's that legacy brokenness, and then again, there's that situational, you know, man, I'm right in the midst of it, you know.
[00:18:51] Speaker B: Correct, correct.
[00:18:51] Speaker E: I think for. For a lot of us. So one of the things that we do now, can you see behind me there's a.
There's a, you know, an old army cap. There's a bronze star.
[00:19:05] Speaker C: Yes, yes, yes, yes.
[00:19:07] Speaker E: Purple Heart. Okay. So I remember I said I used to hate my dad, you know, so once you come to know Christ, okay, so whoever's driving around and they're like me and they hate Their dad and. Or they, you know, they're so angry. Guess what the word forgiveness means. I was a Greek major at Dallas Seminary because I got some bad advice and
[00:19:31] Speaker C: you lost a pet, you know.
[00:19:32] Speaker E: Yeah. Oh, my gosh. I was a new Christian. I had no idea. I thought it just meant you get to read the New Testament. I didn't know you had to translate it. But the word forgiveness is the word luo, which is the first verb you learn when you're learning Greek. And what luo means is to untie the knot.
See, I was so tied up in knots. I was so tied up in knots.
And so the only thing I could think of. Okay, I got to honor my dad. Well, I won't go into details. It's very dishonoring. You know, if I was he, God bless him, he just never. He was shot to pieces at a place called Guadalcanal and then there a place called Pillalou, which nobody knows about except for Marines. And so he came home as, you know, drinking away the pain and never stopped and never got over the pain. Okay, so he didn't, you know, but I remember taking him out to a Red Lobster because he'd go to a kind of a nice restaurant with me. When I finally began to. After I became a Christian and I tried to build a relationship with him, I remember asking him at the table at the end, I go, well, hey, dad, I've been so mad at you for so long. And I just, you know, I ask your forgiveness. And he goes, well, if you need that, fine.
And I go, I do need it. So he never changed. So you can't, you don't do this because, like, oh, I'm going to move to broken, to blessed, and then they're going to bless me. Well, that may never happen. Okay.
[00:20:53] Speaker C: Yeah. So true.
[00:20:55] Speaker E: You can, you can in Christ decide to reverse the curse. You guys want an unbelievable verse? Okay, here we go. Deuteronomy 23:5, it says the Lord was not willing that. Do you remember Balaam in the Old Testament? He was this really bad guy that was hired to curse God's people. Okay. And so curse, the literal word, curse means to dam up the stream.
[00:21:19] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:21:20] Speaker E: And that's what people do when they, you know, when they don't bless you, they dam up the stream. They don't let that life giving water come down. Right?
[00:21:27] Speaker B: Yes, yes.
[00:21:28] Speaker E: The Lord was not willing that the curse rest upon you. But the Lord your God turned the curse into a blessing for you because the Lord your God loves you. Oh, so that's that's the starting point, you know, is it all starts with man, you know, this, this guy really is. Can change my life. And then from there we get him to jump into a whole bunch of things that kind of help them get moving down that journey. Because it's a process, just like you said.
[00:21:59] Speaker C: It's funny, I love that you said that. We've been, we've said that a lot that like, to not forgive is like sipping on poison. And it's like sipping on poison and expecting the other person to die.
[00:22:08] Speaker B: Right.
[00:22:08] Speaker C: And so I love that you're. That we're having forgiveness in that. So from that moment when you realize, okay, he's, he's not going to change, what did that do for you and the next generation in your life?
[00:22:22] Speaker E: Yeah, well. And again, you begin to realize because so many guys, I mean, we're like, what the past. That doesn't affect me, affect me, affect me, you know, and so we don't see it, we don't see it affecting us. The people that live with us see it every day. Okay. And so what happens is once you get, once you're in Christ, we've said that 15 times because that's really where it is. That's really where healing begins. Okay. But once you do that, then guess what? It really does start with a choice.
And so we, we talk a lot about, you know, just, okay, you didn't get the blessing. What's the blessing?
Every time a blessing was given in scripture, there were five things. So let me go through these real quick, and you go for it. Tell me whether or not, you know. Okay, yeah, I got it. No, I, No, I didn't. Okay, so appropriate, meaningful touch. Okay. That hug, handshake, Jesus, you know, it's, it's interesting. In First Peter, he says what we held in our hands, you know, Jesus I think was probably a hugger, but it's that laying on of hands, that hug. So was there appropriate touch? Did somebody touch you with their eyes, look at you like they're crazy about you? You know, so that's number one. Number two is, did they say verbally number three words that attached high value? Because every time you bless someone that was something that, that you did, you know, they saw something in your life that was really valuable that God put there. Well, that helps us with number four, which is special future man now. Well, because God's put something in my life, maybe I really do have a future. Not just the brokenness part, but, but I can do stuff to help my family and Others. And then the last one is genuine commitment, you know, and so it's these. Now today, if you go to clinical, I'm a. My PhD is marriage and family counseling.
You learn about attachment theory. Guess, guess what it's like attachment theory finally catches up to the Bible. Yep.
[00:24:27] Speaker B: Yep.
[00:24:28] Speaker E: Because those five things right out of God's word, when you look at the blessing in Old Testament, is how you build, you know, attachment bonds and loving bonds. So that's, I think where you start is you start realizing, oh, my gosh, it's small things that can begin to change everything. It's not 180. Well, I know what I'll do. My marriage is all messed up. Let's go on a Christian cruise, you know?
[00:24:53] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:24:54] Speaker E: I mean, that'll solve. Well, now you just hate them and you're in a real small room and
[00:24:59] Speaker B: you're, you know, and you're seasick and they're seasick. Yeah, yeah.
[00:25:03] Speaker E: Don't. Don't get me wrong. I'll go on the, I'll go on the, you know, known legacy cruise. You know, you guys can.
[00:25:10] Speaker C: We would too. We'd be more than happy to. Don't you worry.
[00:25:12] Speaker B: If you want to sponsor the no Legacy Cruise Info Legacy.org we'd love to hear from you.
[00:25:16] Speaker C: I'll make it happen.
[00:25:18] Speaker E: But, but, but. So I'm not knocking cruises, but I'm telling you, it's not the big things, is it you guys?
[00:25:23] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:25:24] Speaker E: The average, the average guy I see in coaching and counseling, it's death by a thousand paper cuts. They don't know how to step towards someone.
The word bless means to add.
You're saying you're so valuable. It's like adding a coin to a scale.
And so, man, I want to add to your life, not subtract. You know, Deuteronomy 30, 19. Life for death. Life means movement. Death means to step away. Thanatos. It means to step back. Are you stepping towards or are you stepping away? That guy listening right now. You've been stepping towards your kids or your spouse. Are you stepping away? Okay. And then blessing over curse. So choose. Life or death? Choose. Blessing or curse. Blessing is, well, once you're in Christ, now you can get filled up with him. So you can start instead of working off on, you know, emptiness and going, well, yeah, I'm going to get. I know it'll help. Oh, I'll get married. That'll help.
[00:26:26] Speaker C: Yeah. There you go.
[00:26:27] Speaker E: My wife, just like me, she grew up in a big time alcoholic home. What a shock. The Two of us would get together, right? We're both looking at each other, trying to figure out this whole thing. And Jesus goes, no, look at me. I'll fill you up. And now you can start blessing and, you know, moving forward.
[00:26:44] Speaker B: I love it, and I'm so happy you took it to the marriage, because when you were sharing those five things for blessing, I'm like, oh, my Gosh, that's Marriage 101. Like, that's it.
And what you're saying, and guys, I want you to hear this is if you're finding a stall in your marriage, maybe there's some unhealed brokenness in your past that's keeping you from doing that and allowing God to fill you to overflowing so that it becomes the way that you love your wife, it becomes the way that you love your kids. It transforms generations to the third and fourth generation.
These things make a difference.
[00:27:18] Speaker C: I love this. So. So you've got. So we've got some guys listening, I know, that are going, okay, can I have a couple of targeted, tangible facts or things that I can do, things that I can do to begin to move from this brokenness to this definition of blessed?
[00:27:32] Speaker E: Yeah, well, you know, here's something super easy. Okay, now, you know, I'll take off my glasses. Maybe this will look a little bit. But the next time you walk in the house, okay, With a kid or with your spouse, you, you know, just go.
You know. You know, when. If you. If you ever walked in a room, like you've been in a party, you know, you're at a party, you don't know anybody at the party, and there's that one person that you know, and they look at you and their eyes light up.
Okay, well, listen to this. I have a good friend that's a neurobiologist at ucla, and what they study is joy, okay? And listen to this. Love moves at the speed of joy is what they discovered. So when somebody looks at you now think about Psalm 16, in the presence of the Lord, literally in Hebrew, it says, in your face, Lord. So when I look at your face, Lord, is fullness of joy.
So you think, oh, this is. That's so small. I'm telling you now, just try it. Don't say anything to him. And after a couple of times of you going, you know, just letting your
[00:28:38] Speaker B: light,
[00:28:41] Speaker E: and then you can kind of tell them, well, you know what? You're so valuable. I'm just thrilled I get to do life with you. And you think, okay, that's so stupid. That's so small. I'm, I'm telling you, we get people all the time that, you know, that's. We just get them to do a hundred small things that can really again begin to make a big difference life
[00:29:01] Speaker C: by a thousand movements.
[00:29:02] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:29:03] Speaker C: I love that. I love that. John, this is awesome. This is, this is amazing. I'm like, I'm like, I'm trying to process all this stuff because you're right. There is something amazingly tangible about just a guy going, okay, we. I might despise her when I walk. Or, or me and my teenager have never had a good connection. What do I do? And to walk in and see that, that is so empower. It's so powerful. So, so there. So, so they're making the physical. What's some, what's some spiritual connections that they could do in the midst of that journey as well?
[00:29:32] Speaker E: It's that choice to say, okay, Lord, you know, see, actions dictate feelings, you know, you know, not the re. Not the reverse. So a lot of us think, well, I'm gonna wait till I feel like it. Okay, well, yeah, good luck with that. Okay. It's so important. I think once we choose life in Christ, then he gets you moving, you know.
[00:29:53] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:29:53] Speaker E: And now you're not going to be per. You're not going to be perfect. You're not going to do it perfectly. I mean, I struggled with anger and still do, you know, but you're the only one.
[00:30:02] Speaker C: Don't worry. No one else on this podcast ever deals with anger. Welcome to the pun.
[00:30:08] Speaker E: Yeah. And so that's why it's so important. Keep listening to known podcasts, keep hanging out with you guys because you're going to keep telling them all that.
Phenomenal encouragement. I mean, even the guys that get up at 6 o', clock, that's, you know, I don't know who would do that, but, you know, for the Bible study. But that's a great way to start it and, and, and just, you know, get them to, you know, it's, it's amazing for men, once they. Men want to be called to do something great.
[00:30:39] Speaker C: Yes, Yes.
[00:30:41] Speaker E: I think it's really important to just, you know, say as a man, okay, my dad didn't get it. He was shot to rag dolls. He, he, his dad left him. Oh, what a shock. He left mine.
[00:30:52] Speaker B: Right.
[00:30:53] Speaker E: But remember Josiah last thing. Remember Josiah in the Old Testament?
[00:30:57] Speaker C: Yes, sir.
[00:30:57] Speaker E: His grand. His grandfather was horrible. You know, child sacrifice, walked in evil. He dies. Guess where he's buried?
In his home. In his garden of his home. He wants to be buried there. So now you get to walk past this pathetic, evil guy every day, his grave. Well, his dad is just as evil. He dies and he's buried right next to his dad. And because he walked in all the ways of his father, David. Okay, what does it say about Josiah? Josiah walked in all the ways of his father, of his father, David. Now, Ammon was his real father, but he had to switch fathers. So that doesn't mean you dishonor your dad. I mean, again, I try to honor my dad's service. At least I can do that, you know.
[00:31:44] Speaker C: Right, right.
[00:31:45] Speaker E: But I'm telling you, you gotta, you know, you. You gotta choose, man. I'm gonna walk after my heavenly father and reverse the curse in Christ because that's. That's how it happens.
[00:31:57] Speaker C: Oh, I love this. I love this. John, this is so good. This has been really, really good. We need to have you on again, man, as. As we're thinking through this, but man, so, so what's. What is next for your guys ministry? What do you.
What does the future look like? What's the next vision for the next step of what you guys are doing?
[00:32:13] Speaker E: Get Carrie and I on because, man, it would be great to have her to talk about. There's a lot of us that, you know, have had a kid that just, you know, man, we're trying to bless them and. Or we did or we didn't. You know, when life happens. Yeah, she does a great job of talking through that. And then, you know, again, we, we get the great privilege of.
We'll have you guys on our, our podcast, Strong Families Podcast. We'd love to.
And so just, you know, we get the privilege of just, you know, continuing to beat the drum and say, oh, my gosh.
First Peter 3. I love the message version. Don't send me emails. I know it's an interpreter. I know it's an interpreter to paraphrase. Okay, but in, in first Peter 3, 9, this is the message version, okay? It says bless.
That's your job to get a blessing and to be a blessing. Oh, so we just keep hammer. We just keep hammering guys with.
[00:33:15] Speaker C: I love it.
[00:33:16] Speaker E: I spoke to a million. I spoke to a million men at Promise Keepers and all the different conferences. And I just would, I'd go through those five elements of the blessing and I go, Go home and do it. Just.
[00:33:26] Speaker B: Yes, do something great, you know.
[00:33:28] Speaker C: Oh, this has been great, man. Yeah, we have to get your wife on, but we'll probably title it like Beauty and the Beast if that's okay with you?
[00:33:36] Speaker E: Harry's our oldest daughter. We can get her, too.
[00:33:39] Speaker C: Yeah, that'd be. We would love that. In fact, we will.
[00:33:41] Speaker B: We will.
[00:33:41] Speaker C: We'll book that after this to make sure that we can get you on because this has been life giving, John. And I hope that you guys out there listening, check out John's. John's Ministry. We'd love you to. And we will put links down at the bottom for. For strongfamilies.com as well as for the book. Where can they pick up your book, John?
[00:34:01] Speaker E: Well, you know, it's that, you know, broken to blessed and, you know, anywhere. You know, Amazon, our website, you know, just. It's a focus on the family Tyndale book. And so they can find it wherever. Yeah.
[00:34:13] Speaker B: And to summarize, I think, guys, if you're listening to this and you're realizing that you don't even know where to start, my encouragement is there's hope. Yes, there's hope because there's guys that. We have number of guys on this podcast throughout the years that have had a very similar experience. And God has brought rescue, and God, most importantly, has brought healing to those situations. And so there's hope, man. Go home and be excited to see your wife. Go home and be excited to see your kids and let your face radiate the excitement that God has with you so that they could go. I don't know what's different with dad, but, man, he just. When he comes home, it used to be oppressive and now there's joy when he comes home. Like, we're excited when dad goes home because things just change in the house. There's hope, boys. There's hope.
[00:34:58] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. This is. This is incredible, man. I'm loving this, John. And this kind of leads us to the end, you know, as we're going through our next one. But, man, guys, yeah. Don't give up. The fight's worth it. Yes. And please, if you need more information about John, infoownlegacy.org We'd love to connect you to him, John. This has been awesome. And as we finish up, John, we have our little segment called Fast Five
[00:35:23] Speaker B: that's for you.
[00:35:23] Speaker C: Yeah, it's dumb and we have fun. But hey, let me. Let me hit you up with. With number one, if you could tell people to go support a cause or a ministry, what would it be and why?
[00:35:35] Speaker E: Oh, gosh. Well, I mean, I already said it. I think, you know, they need to, you know, they need to keep jumping in with you guys because it's the. It's the real part that's so important today. Do you know what I mean? We're not perfect and, you know, so I. I think this is a great starting point right here.
[00:35:51] Speaker C: Praise the Lord. Well, thank you. We'll. We'll send you the check later on about that. We really appreciate the free advertising.
[00:35:57] Speaker B: All right, fine. You'll be the speaker on the cruise.
[00:36:00] Speaker E: I read what you wrote. I mean, was that. Did that. Was that.
[00:36:03] Speaker C: That's exactly it.
[00:36:04] Speaker E: Yeah.
[00:36:04] Speaker C: It's exactly what had you write.
Bill is really smart.
Smart.
So. No, John thinks. Okay. Number two, if you could describe legacy with a word or a phrase. Phrase. What would it be?
[00:36:17] Speaker E: Well, man, it's. It's. We're all leaving it and just. What are you leaving?
Yeah. You know, good truth.
[00:36:25] Speaker C: Good truth.
[00:36:26] Speaker E: That's it.
[00:36:27] Speaker C: Awesome. Number three, if you had to change careers. Oh, what would you change it to?
[00:36:33] Speaker E: Well, I mean, all of us could have been pro athletes, right?
[00:36:36] Speaker C: Yes, of course.
[00:36:38] Speaker E: But. But. But besides that, you know, my. My twin brother is MD. PhD. I mentioned. He's really smart.
[00:36:46] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:36:47] Speaker E: And. And he. He.
But, you know, he gets to help so many people on the physical side, but I think, you know, so I. I get to help more on the emotional side. But it. It'd be fun to get to help in the physical side, too. Something on that. On that side.
[00:37:05] Speaker B: That's really cool. That's really cool.
[00:37:07] Speaker C: That's really cool. That's really cool. Okay, number four, what is your go to fruit if you had to pick one?
[00:37:13] Speaker B: And just so you know, John, just to preempt us, there is a lot of judgment from the three of us. Yes. This is a question we ask, and there's. There's a lot of judgment that can. Can happen on this. So just, you know, forewarning. Forewarned.
[00:37:24] Speaker E: Yeah.
[00:37:25] Speaker C: So go for. What's your fruit?
[00:37:27] Speaker E: Hamburgers. Because, you know, they'll throw.
They'll throw something in there that's green or red or what? There's got to be a fruit in there.
[00:37:38] Speaker D: Tomato.
[00:37:39] Speaker B: Tomato.
[00:37:40] Speaker E: Yeah. Okay.
[00:37:41] Speaker C: There you go. That's close enough from that hamburger tree. We're talking about in and out.
[00:37:45] Speaker B: I want to hang out and have lunch with John. I know.
[00:37:47] Speaker C: John, the next time you're in town, we're treating you to hamburgers. Just so you know.
[00:37:51] Speaker E: Yeah. In and out. Yeah.
[00:37:52] Speaker C: That's my second favorite fruit that we've had. Someone said chocolate, and we're like, that's true.
[00:37:56] Speaker B: That's true. It's good.
[00:37:57] Speaker C: Fruit starts with a plant, so we're good. So awesome. Okay, number five.
What do you want to be remembered for by those closest to you?
[00:38:05] Speaker E: Ooh, wow. You know, we. I just did this grandparent conference. It was like a million people that look like me. It was kind of weird, actually, and. But a lot of fun. And, boy, I just.
I get so discouraged and sad for these people that don't have any interaction. I just want to keep the lines open and keep blessing our kids and grandkids. Grandkids. And so just. Just, you know, that, you know.
You know how you get a grandparent name? You don't get to pick it. You know, the wand picks the wizard, you know, kind of a deal, you know?
Anyway, I'm Bub. I'm Bubba. I don't know where that came from. I love it, but I just want. I just want them to know Bubba was crazy about him and Jesus is, too. That's. That's.
[00:38:55] Speaker B: What a great legacy, man. What a great legacy. Love it. John, it has been an honor, a privilege, and a joy and a lot of learning with you on the podcast. Thank you so much for the time.
Really appreciate it.
[00:39:07] Speaker C: This has been great. This has been so good. And, John, we'll have you on again. Want to have you and your wife and you and your daughter on. I would love to meet the people behind you as well. That's so awesome. And so thank you for your openness and honesty. Guys, there is hope in your marriage. There's hope in your family. There's hope with your kids and your history.
[00:39:25] Speaker B: There's hope with your history, too.
[00:39:27] Speaker C: So check out John's ministry, Strong families. And we will put a link in the bottom man. We know that God has greater things for you. So, guys, thank you so much for listening today, being a part of what we do every week.
[00:39:39] Speaker B: Right?
[00:39:39] Speaker C: Make sure if you like this, follow it, subscribe, share it with your friends, and make sure that they get connected with us as well. Travis, final thoughts.
[00:39:48] Speaker B: Wake up. Gear up and come alive, boys.
[00:39:50] Speaker C: Thanks a lot, guys. Have a great week.
[00:39:52] Speaker B: God bless.
[00:39:54] Speaker A: Thanks for listening to the Known Legacy podcast. We'd love to hear from you. So email us your questions or comments to infononelegacy.org.
